18 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterIs there a way, do you think, of determining which have this "Medieval core value system" and which don't?
I'm referring to the social, spiritual and religious hub that drives extremist Islamic thinking and behaviour.
This links back to what has been my angle throughout this thread.
I am wondering whether the hand of the tiny faction in my country here who have the "Medieval core value system" has been strengthened and the hand of the majority here who can't in all seriousness be dismissed as having a "Medieval core value system" has been weakened just a bit, along with the prospects of freedom of speech putting down deeper roots in this conservative culture with its very young democracy.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFIve read an article that claimed the head editor (who was murdered) was intent on really "pushing the envelope". My very limited experience with editorial leaders is that they will do whatever it takes to drive readership. So yes you could be right there.
You don't think the satirical magazine CH was engaged in "attention grabbing through notoriety"?
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFI feel deeply sorry for the those good spirited people who coincidentally have adopted the Islamic faith and are now somewhat and to varying degrees, tarred with the actions of the terrorist few on the one hand and metaphorically worship in the shadow of the power wielding "medieval" Islamic power house of the likes of KSA and other countries.
Is there a way, do you think, of determining which have this "Medieval core value system" and which don't?
This links back to what has been my angle throughout this thread.
I am wondering whether the hand of the tiny faction in my country here who have the "Medieval core value system" has been strengthened and the hand of the majority here who can't in a ...[text shortened]... of speech putting down deeper roots in this conservative culture with its very young democracy.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by divegeester
I feel deeply sorry for the those good spirited people who coincidentally have adopted the Islamic faith and are now somewhat and to varying degrees, tarred with the actions of the terrorist few on the one hand and metaphorically worship in the shadow of the power wielding "medieval" Islamic power house of the likes of KSA and other countries.
"I feel deeply sorry for the those good spirited people who coincidentally have adopted the Islamic faith..."
Since when are human emotions or human good relevant to God's Plan of reconciliation? This is the result of human volition: An inaudible prayer to God the Father, expressing faith alone in Christ alone changes everything for time and eternity.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd yet you are one of the most emotional religionists in this community. The gap between how people see themselves and how they come across can be interesting sometimes. Someone like you chastising divegeester for his "human emotions" is a bit rich coming from a poster like you.
Since when are human emotions or human good relevant to God's Plan of reconciliation? This is the result of human volition: An inaudible prayer to God the Father, expressing faith alone in Christ alone changes everything for time and eternity.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't see my Muslim neighbours as being any more or less tarred by the terrorists' actions than you or I are.
I feel deeply sorry for the those good spirited people who coincidentally have adopted the Islamic faith and are now somewhat and to varying degrees, tarred with the actions of the terrorist few on the one hand and metaphorically worship in the shadow of the power wielding "medieval" Islamic power house of the likes of KSA and other countries.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFI'm sure you have read how there is a perceived potential "backlash" against Moslems generally. I'd like to hope that the everyday "man" will see past that.
I don't see my Muslim neighbours as being any more or less tarred by the terrorists' actions than you or I are.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterI am sure that this was one of the motivations behind CH's calculated insults. The similar cartoons in Denmark were apparently a calculated contribution to some inter-party politicking on the right and far right of the country's political spectrum with some, at the time, suggesting that Muslims who felt revolted by the depiction of the prophet should move away from Denmark etc. etc. Same old same old. There was also a "free speech" element in there I suppose, but the picking on the tiny minority was a dose of retail/populist politics I think.
I'm sure you have read how there is a perceived potential "backlash" against Moslems generally.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFIf they wanted to, yeah. I am not familiar with this Piss Christ thing. Were people killed over it or something?
Would you be inclined to agree with Great King Rat ~ and I am putting words in his mouth here based on the points he has put forward on this thread, and he can jump in of course and say I am misrepresenting him on "insult" and "freedom of speech" ~ and say that the creators of Piss Christ, in response to the criticism they got, should have found something even m ...[text shortened]... this thread and not the approach to freedom of speech that you advocate, please set me straight.
18 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFI am going to respond to the various questions you've asked me in the coming days, but just a quick question that comes to mind. Do you think satire like Life of Brian (comedic value approved by FMF, 2015, all rights reserved) has helped push the boundaries of freedom of speech further, even though at the time many Christians were outraged and deeply, deeply offended by it?
Is there a way, do you think, of determining which have this "Medieval core value system" and which don't?
This links back to what has been my angle throughout this thread.
I am wondering whether the hand of the tiny faction in my country here who have the "Medieval core value system" has been strengthened and the hand of the majority here who can't in a ...[text shortened]... of speech putting down deeper roots in this conservative culture with its very young democracy.
When does satire have that effect, you think?
19 Jan 15
Originally posted by Great King RatLife of Brian was much more effective in furthering the cause of free speech and rolling back the power or conservatism than Piss Christ. That satire can be an effective and welcome tool is not disputed, but as I said before, it's a shame I have to rally behind purveyors of such abject trash in order to demonstrate my firm support for freedom of speech.
I am going to respond to the various questions you've asked me in the coming days, but just a quick question that comes to mind. Do you think satire like Life of Brian (comedic value approved by FMF, 2015, all rights reserved) has helped push the boundaries of freedom of speech further, even though at the time many Christians were outraged and deeply, deeply offended by it?
When does satire have that effect, you think?