Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
He rather likes to say, 'so you are saying...' when it is clear to anybody of rational mind that I am not saying that at all.

Perhaps he needs to spend longer reading replies rather than spontaneously guessing what is being said to him.

Do you think everyone who is exposed to psychological abuse suffers from it? Yes or No?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think everyone who is exposed to psychological abuse suffers from it? Yes or No?

I think anybody immersed for 24 years in an environment of obvious psychological abuse would 'suffer' such abuse, yes. Seriously, how could you not?!

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think anybody immersed for 24 years in an environment of obvious psychological abuse would 'suffer' such abuse, yes. Seriously, how could you not?!

How would someone be suffering from psychological abuse for example if they did everything they were told and never broke any rules?

Originally posted by dj2becker
What kind of abuse would someone experience for example if they did everything they were told and never broke any rules?

I refer you back to your initial description of your time in the cult.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I refer you back to your initial description of your time in the cult.

Would you agree that 'abuse' is defined as 'treating someone with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly'?

So back to my question, how does someone who follows the rules and is thus not treated with cruelty or violence, suffering abuse?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you agree that 'abuse' is defined as 'treating someone with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly'?

So back to my question, how does someone who follows the rules and is thus not treated with cruelty or violence, suffering abuse?

You have already yourself posted in this thread a definition of 'psychological abuse' which does not involve 'treating someone with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly'. Did you forget?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
You have already yourself posted in this thread a definition of 'psychological abuse' which does not involve 'treating someone with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly'. Did you forget?

He does seem stuck rather on the simplistic dictionary definition of 'abuse' rather than the 'psychological abuse' we are discussing.

It's like sticking rigidly to the definition of 'cat' when we are discussing Tigers.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
He does seem stuck rather on the simplistic dictionary definition of 'abuse' rather than the 'psychological abuse' we are discussing.

It's like sticking rigidly to the definition of 'cat' when we are discussing Tigers.

I thought he'd got past that, kind of odd to see him taking a step backwards after the time and trouble it took him to take that forward one.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
You have already yourself posted in this thread a definition of 'psychological abuse' which does not involve 'treating someone with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly'. Did you forget?

You also seem to forget psychological abuse is a form of abuse. Which is characterized by a person subjecting, or exposing, another person to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder. How could you diagnose someone as suffering from psychological abuse if they showed none of the symptoms?

Originally posted by dj2becker
You also seem to forget psychological abuse is a form of abuse. Which is characterized by a person subjecting, or exposing, another person to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.

Er.. no, I recall that quite clearly. It was you who appeared to have forgotten.

...characterized by a person subjecting, or exposing, another person to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.

...MAY RESULT...

...MAY... verb

modal verb: may
expressing possibility.
"that may be true"

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
I thought he'd got past that, kind of odd to see him taking a step backwards after the time and trouble it took him to take that forward one.

Indeed.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Er.. no, I recall that quite clearly. It was you who appeared to have forgotten.

...characterized by a person subjecting, or exposing, another person to behavior that [b]may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.

...MAY RESULT...

...MAY... verb

modal verb: may
expressing possibility.
"that may be true"[/b]

So could you give me an example of psychological abuse which occurs without someone being treated with cruelty or violence?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So could you give me an example of psychological abuse which occurs without someone being treated with cruelty or violence?

Here you go:

"I grew up in a legalistic 'Christian cult' where I was indoctrinated from a young age to believe that the teachings of my church was true and that all other churches that didn't believe exactly what we believed were lost. I was indoctrinated to follow laws that weren't even in the Bible. I was not allowed to talk to the opposite sex, watch tv, listen to non Christian music etc, and believed that I needed to confess every bad thought that I had to a counsellor in the church who would pray with me for God to forgive me. Women in our church were not allowed to wear trousers or jewelry, and you weren't allowed to be romantically involved with the person you wanted to marry. You had to marry someone from the same church. You had to 'hear from God' who the person was that you were going to marry and you weren't even allowed to talk to them before you got married. Anyone who questioned the rules of this church were excommunicated and everyone in the church believed they were going to hell and shunned them like lepers. I was born into the church and for 24 years I believed that everything they taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave. "

Originally posted by dj2becker
So could you give me an example of psychological abuse which occurs without someone being treated with cruelty or violence?

The threat of cruelty or violence is enough to qualify as psychological abuse, I'm sure any right-thinking person would agree. Personally, i think some of the threats you claim to have been subjected to were pretty cruel, but that's just my view. They were certainly psychologically abusive according to the definition you have given us.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Here you go:

"I grew up in a legalistic 'Christian cult' where I was indoctrinated from a young age to believe that the teachings of my church was true and that all other churches that didn't believe exactly what we believed were lost. I was indoctrinated to follow laws that weren't even in the Bible. I was not allowed to talk to the opposite sex, ...[text shortened]... y taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave. "

Ok so you can only argue that this is psychological abuse because you say so. You have no working definition to link it to?