Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by dj2becker
Yes I did. My entire direct family has left.

Wow.
In a place with so many followers how did you get out of there and lead your family out as well? How did you learn to lead like that ? From your parents? From your Church?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Unfortunately you are not a clinical psychologist and neither can you speak for one.

Ghost said the same thing.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Back up there ... nobody said to drop out of anything. Awareness of your environment should start in your mid teens. Knowing where you are is the start. By the time you are ready to meet a woman and settle down you should have no time with the fools who are still in the church licking the church leaders butts, and unfortunately that includes your parents.

Unless maybe your woman is also in the 'church'

Originally posted by dj2becker
Sad state of affairs if the parents are also indoctrinated.

In the story you have told, your parents - as adults - must take personal responsibility for their decisions and actions. They were complicit in your psychological abuse and deprivation,

Originally posted by FMF
In the story you have told, your parents - as adults - must take personal responsibility for their decisions and actions. They were complicit in your psychological abuse and deprivation,

What exactly is your cliched response supposed to mean in practical terms? Show remorse? They cannot change the past.

Originally posted by dj2becker
What exactly is your cliched response supposed to mean in practical terms? Show remorse? They cannot change the past.

Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of indoctrination, and where you stated a man could leave the cult but it was hard for the cult to leave him. (Or words to that effect).

Doesn't that mean that your mindset is still in 'cult mode' and that your current religious beliefs are just another example of your susceptibility to indoctrination, as a consequence of your cult experiences? - Haven't you just replaced one form of indoctrination for another? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

FMF: In the story you have told, your parents - as adults - must take personal responsibility for their decisions and actions. They were complicit in your psychological abuse and deprivation.

Originally posted by dj2becker
What exactly is your cliched response supposed to mean in practical terms?

It's a wake up call for you. It's not a cliche at all. You have shown such profound ignorance on this issue, you needed to have it pointed out to you.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of indoctrination, and where you stated a man could leave the cult but it was hard for the cult to leave him. (Or words to that effect).

Doesn't that mean that your mindset is still in 'cult mode' and that your current religious beliefs are just another ex ...[text shortened]... ther? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

So in essence are you saying that everyone that believes in God (or has religious beliefs) is indoctrinated and does not have the ability to judge things rationally and objectively?

What about children who are raised by atheist parents? Are they not indoctrinated to believe what their parents believe?

Originally posted by FMF
It's a wake up call for you. It's not a cliche at all. You have shown such profound ignorance on this issue, you needed to have it pointed out to you.

What does 'take responsibility' mean in practical terms?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So in essence are you saying that everyone that believes in God (or has religious beliefs) is indoctrinated and does not have the ability to judge things rationally and objectively?

No. I am talking about you specifically based on your alleged cult experiences. Here are my questions again, relevant to you and you alone:

Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of indoctrination, and where you stated a man could leave the cult but it was hard for the cult to leave him. (Or words to that effect).

Doesn't that mean that your mindset is still in 'cult mode' and that your current religious beliefs are just another example of your susceptibility to indoctrination, as a consequence of your cult experiences? - Haven't you just replaced one form of indoctrination for another? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

Originally posted by dj2becker
What does 'take responsibility' mean in practical terms?

You have tried to lecture me on morality for over a year and here you are asking me what the term "take responsibility" means in practical terms?

Have they sat down with you and apologized for trapping you in an environment of psychological abuse for your entire infancy, childhood and teenage years where vulnerable minors were being brainwashed and threatened with emotional cruelty in order to protect and sustain an agenda of willful, calculated deprivation?

Presumably not, seeing as you demonstrated that you didn't have the foggiest idea about anything connected with or stemming from the unlikely yarn you suddenly spun during a debate here a year and a half ago.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
No. I am talking about you specifically based on your alleged cult experiences. Here are my questions again, relevant to you and you alone:

Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of indoctrination, and where you stated a man could leave the cult but it was hard for the cult to leave him. (Or word ...[text shortened]... ther? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

Would you mind explaining what exactly you mean by 'cult mode'? A cult as I see it invents their own rules that are not in the Bible and enforces those rules on their followers. I try to read the Bible and follow it's teachings without having other people tell me what I am supposed to do.

What about children who are raised by atheist parents? Are they not indoctrinated to believe what their parents believe?

q1§Originally posted by FMF
You have tried to lecture me on morality for over a year and here you are asking me what the term "take responsibility" means in practical terms?

Have they sat down with you and apologized for trapping you in an environment of psychological abuse for your entire infancy, childhood and teenage years where vulnerable minors were being brainwashed and threat ...[text shortened]... or stemming from the unlikely yarn you suddenly spun during a debate here a year and a half ago.

My parents were just as indoctrinated as everyone else for many years, the moment they saw the light they left. They have apologized and expressed their regret, it is something we have all put behind us.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you mind explaining what exactly you mean by 'cult mode'? A cult as I see it invents their own rules that are not in the Bible and enforces those rules on their followers. I try to read the Bible and follow it's teachings without having other people tell me what I am supposed to do.

A 'cult mentality' as a result of the indoctrination/brain washing you experience for 24 years. (Psychological abuse). - The psychology of your brain has be 're-wired' due to your experiences in the cult. - That clarified, here are my questions again:

Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of indoctrination, and where you stated a man could leave the cult but it was hard for the cult to leave him. (Or words to that effect).

Doesn't that mean that your mindset is still in 'cult mode' and that your current religious beliefs are just another example of your susceptibility to indoctrination, as a consequence of your cult experiences? - Haven't you just replaced one form of indoctrination for another? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
A 'cult mentality' as a result of the indoctrination/brain washing you experience for 24 years. (Psychological abuse). - The psychology of your brain has be 're-wired' due to your experiences in the cult. - That clarified, here are my questions again:

Let's assume you are telling the truth and that you did indeed leave a cult after 24 years of ind ...[text shortened]... ther? Hasn't your ability to judge things rationally and objectively been fundamentally damaged?

What about children who are raised by atheist parents? Are they not indoctrinated or brainwashed to believe what their parents believe?