Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by FMF
Fact or fiction, I think you are clearly not in a position or not intellectually/emotionally able to see and understand the significance of all the things you have been saying and describing. And even with this bizarre change of tack and attempted change of content today after your disastrous day yesterday ~ which has made me even more certain than I was previou ...[text shortened]... absolutely clueless about the ramifications and issues surrounding what you have been claiming.

Oh yes and you are in a position to use 220 words which were used to briefly explain very generally the cult I was involved in for 24 years. Yes you definitely have the full picture and are in a far better position than me to make a judgment here.

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you think I am not able to point it out? I have been pointing it out constantly over the last few thread pages. If there are people who think that you are telling the same story today as you were telling yesterday, then so be it.

Do you think your questions seem to point out that you are the one that has the full picture here and not merely a small fragment of the information?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Oh yes and you are in a position to use 220 words which were used to briefly explain very generally the cult I was involved in for 24 years. Yes you definitely have the full picture and are in a far better position than me to make a judgment here.

People will judge for themselves.

Originally posted by FMF
People will judge for themselves.

Indeed they can judge whether or not you are the one who has the full picture here.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Indeed they can judge whether or not you are the one who has the full picture here.

Well, what I mean by "people will judge for themselves" is other people can judge whether the tack you are taking today is different from the one you took yesterday and whether you are attempting, having had a break away from the fray, to frame the 220 words in such a way as to alter the meaning that you were trying to defend so clumsily yesterday.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Read my story again. Where did I say that I personally felt threatened? Most of the stuff that happened was under cover. It was a huge community our main church building could seat 10 000 people. They still have branches all over the world. Those that suffered abuse were in the minority most people there had bought into the philosophy and were towing the line. The abuse was well covered up.

10,000 stupid people in one town .. has to be some kind of record 😀

Originally posted by dj2becker
Ok and then what is the next step?

One step at a time. (You are currently standing still).

I am of course advising you as if you were indeed once part of a cult, something I find highly dubious.

Originally posted by dj2becker
http://www.ksb.org.za/

So this is the Mission Church were you spent 24 years, correct?

Originally posted by divegeester
So this is the Mission Church were you spent 24 years, correct?

Yes.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Yes.

How old were you when you joined?

Originally posted by divegeester
How old were you when you joined?

I was born there, my parents moved there five years before my birth. It is not just a church but a self sufficient farm/village. They are currently one of the largest bottled water suppliers in the country and they have many other projects. They have a school and a teachers training college on their premises.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I was born there, my parents moved there five years before my birth. It is not just a church but a self sufficient farm/village. They are currently one of the largest bottled water suppliers in the country and they have many other projects. They have a school and a teachers training college on their premises.

Looks like a good place, statement of faith seems sound enough, website is pretty transparent. Why did you leave?

Originally posted by divegeester
Looks like a good place, statement of faith seems sound enough, website is pretty transparent. Why did you leave?

Well there are a few factors. One of the main factors was because they wouldn't allow me to get married there because I had spoken to the woman I wanted to marry (this was during the two years before I left when I was still part of the church but did not live there but came on weekends to visit my parents) . This even after I had broken off all communication with her for 3 months and confessed that I had an emotional bond with her. And when my parents wanted to come to my wedding (which I had elsewhere) pressure was put on my parents to ostracise me and not come, but they came anyway. My brother was a leader of one of their branches in another city, his wife's father is still one of the core group. He (my brother's father in law) then put pressure on my brother to ostracise my parents who had then moved away from the main branch and stayed in a house that my sister had bought for them in the city (same street) where my brother lived. My brother then refused and thus his wife was ostracised by her father. My brother then left as a result of that. During this time I came upon the testimonies of others who had had similar experiences.

Originally posted by dj2becker
One of the main factors was because they wouldn't allow me to get married there because I had spoken to the woman I wanted to marry (this was during the two years before I left when I was still part of the church but did not live there but came on weekends to visit my parents) .

So you had in fact already left the church and just visited at weekend?

What has you speaking to the woman you were going to marry have to do with them not permitting the marriage?

aOriginally posted by dj2becker
Well there are a few factors. One of the main factors was because they wouldn't allow me to get married there because I had spoken to the woman I wanted to marry (this was during the two years before I left when I was still part of the church but did not live there but came on weekends to visit my parents) . This even after I had broken off all communicat ...[text shortened]... of that. During this time I came upon the testimonies of others who had had similar experiences.

So many stupid people in one family ... goodness me .. yet another record. You need to contact Guinness World Record people and see if you can secure a listing 😀

Seriously, weak minded people ALLOW THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THEM. They are needy, emotionally dependent, insecure people. Somewhere in peoples teens they change into adults, they think like adults and somewhere in their early 20s by the very latest, they move out of their parents home and seek to start their own independent lives, and especially THINK INDEPENDENTLY OF PARENTS AND CHURCH PASTORS. If this does not happen - and clearly it has not happened to 90% of your family - then they need professional help.