Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by dj2becker
The fact that I volunteered my story doesn't mean I have to follow your needy boring repetitious routine of questioning. I have seen through your little game, and I don't believe your motives are pure.

I get the impression chaney3 believes you. So there's always that.

Originally posted by FMF
I get the impression chaney3 believes you. So there's always that.

Since we are sharing impressions, I get the impression that you are just an unimaginative needy boring troll.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Since we are sharing impressions, I get the impression that you are just an unimaginative needy boring troll.

Well. If you need to let off steam after what has clearly been not a very good thread for you, then go for it.

Originally posted by FMF
Well. If you need to let off steam after what has clearly been not a very good thread for you, then go for it.

Aha there you go again, because you don't believe my story now the thread hasn't been good for me? That is a very balanced objective view you have there. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Originally posted by FMF
For what [b]specifically have they shown remorse and apologised?[/b]

What do you believe entitles you to hear more private and personal details of my life than I am willing to share?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Aha there you go again, because you don't believe my story now the thread hasn't been good for me?

Well I would be distraught if any of the "analysis" of child development and abuse/deprivation issues that you've offered were in my posting history, let's put it that way. Someone who knew me in a professional capacity might see it. I'm glad all those texts are yours and not mine.

Originally posted by dj2becker
What do you believe entitles you to hear more private and personal details of my life than I am willing to share?

Like I said 6-7 posts ago, you don't need to answer my questions or share any details at all if you don't want to. There has been no coercion.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I would be distraught if any of the "analysis" of child development and abuse/deprivation issues that you've offered were in my posting history, let's put it that way. Someone who knew me in a professional capacity might see it. I'm glad all those texts are yours and not mine.

Well unlike you I don't suffer from an inferiority complex that is so needy it that requires everyone's affirmation and approval. My belief that I personally did not feel psychologically abused has absolutely nothing to do with my analysis of child development.

Originally posted by dj2becker
My belief that I personally did not feel psychologically abused has absolutely nothing to do with my analysis of child development.

You have shown no awareness of what constitutes healthy socialization and intellectual development of children and seemed to endorse brainwashing. I am baffled as to how you got a licence to teach without at least reading a few academic articles about that stuff somewhere along the way.

Originally posted by FMF
You have shown no awareness of what constitutes healthy socialization and intellectual development of children and seemed to endorse brainwashing. I am baffled as to how you got a licence to teach without at least reading a few academic articles about that stuff somewhere along the way.

So how did you make the jump from I didn't feel psychologically abused to I endorse brainwashing? If I endorse brainwashing why did I leave? If anything is questionable here it is your use of ad hominems and mental gymnastics.

Originally posted by dj2becker
So how did you make the jump from I didn't feel psychologically abused to I endorse brainwashing?

I didn't make any such jump.

The fact that you believe that your protestations that you didn't "feel" abused are relevant to a discussion of the psychological abuse that you described marks you down as someone who doesn't have the first clue. The topic has been systematic intellectual, emotional and interpersonal deprivation of children enforced with the threat of cruel punishments.

That you'd toss in glib slogans like 'I don't want to play the victim card' in a discussion about such "evil" marks you down as clueless about adult responsibility and ethics, or it's just a big internet fib that got too big on you. .

And you seemed to endorse brainwashing. What else can one say?

Originally posted by FMF
I didn't make any such jump.

The fact that you believe that your protestations that you didn't "feel" abused are relevant to a discussion of the psychological abuse that you described marks you down as someone who doesn't have the first clue. The topic has been systematic intellectual, emotional and interpersonal deprivation of children enforced with the thre ...[text shortened]... fib that got too big on you. .

And you seemed to endorse brainwashing. What else can one say?

Lets recap:

1. I admitted that the environment was one where psychological abuse took place.
2. I admitted that there were people who suffered psychological abuse.
3. I claimed that I believed I did not particularly suffer the psychological abuse that others suffered based upon the dictionary definition of 'abuse'.
4. We agreed that in an environment where psychological abuse takes place it doesn't mean that 100% of the population suffer psychological abuse.
5. This means I could have been in an environment where psychological abuse took place without suffering it myself.
6. Yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that I was somehow part of the group that suffered abuse.
7. You don't know this for a fact and you are just clutching at straws.

Originally posted by dj2becker
4. We agreed that in an environment where psychological abuse takes place it doesn't mean that 100% of the population suffer psychological abuse.

Don't be so disingenuous. We agreed no such thing.

While, in an environment where there is psychological abuse taking place, not 100% of the population will necessarily suffer the psychological abuse, in the environment you described, 100% of the population was suffering psychological abuse.

Look at how you were being deprived of a normal childhood and of normal interpersonal relationships, and normal intellectual stimulus, and all forced on everybody through the threat of psychological cruelty, all the fear, all the secrets, all the rumours, all the disappearing friends without explanations. An "evil" and abusive way to raise children, through and through.

Maybe your leaders did not suffer psychological abuse, but every single one of their victims did.

Originally posted by dj2becker
1. I admitted that the environment was one where psychological abuse took place.
2. I admitted that there were people who suffered psychological abuse.
5. This means I could have been in an environment where psychological abuse took place without suffering it myself.

All the children were psychologically abused, including you.

Originally posted by dj2becker
3. I claimed that I believed I did not particularly suffer the psychological abuse that others suffered based upon the dictionary definition of 'abuse'.

What you claim about what you feel or felt is irrelevant to the fact you were psychologically abused.