@sonship saidYou promote the doctrine of the damned. Jesus is not impressed with you calling him "Lord Lord". Even the atheists around here know more of what Jesus requires than you do .. its good works and righteousness. Your evil mouth cannot form those words to tell people the truth about the doctrine of Christ. If you try to preach good works, you will go up in flames.
All you talk of bad churches is indicate:
[b]1.) The Lordship of Jesus Christ
2.) The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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Let anyone who has ever clearly heard you teach the bodily and physical resurrection of Jesus come forward and vouch for you. You won't unambiguously admit the physical resurrection for yourself.
Let anyone who has ever unambiguously heard you admit that Jesus Christ was your Lord, come forward and vouch for you.
How many YEARS did it take to get you to even HINT you thought anything positive about the word church or churches. Ruthless self righteousness above all churching Christians is all we have ever heard from you.
I think above you were forced to come up with something somewhat positive sounding. I bet it killed you to write that.
"No man can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3)
Judging from your views on what regeneration is in the New Testament I doubt that you have been born again.
And to this you usually resort that all such regeneration is just mouth worship.
That is a LOT OF EXCUSE from disbelieving that Jesus Christ is Lord clearly from your OWN heart and mouth.
@sonship saidAnd hereby we do know that we know him,
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Let anyone who has ever clearly heard you teach the bodily and physical resurrection of Jesus come forward and vouch for you.
if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him,
and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him.
(1 John 2:3-4 KJV)
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You talk a good game Rajk999.
I must admit you conceal your unbelief with a good (works emphasizing) façade.
You hide your denying the physical resurrection and divine life of Jesus behind a good façade of commandments talk.
But To you therefore who believe is the preciousness; but to the unbelieving, "The stone which the builders rejected, this has become the head of the corner," (2 Pet. 2:7)
You're not really for works unto God.
You're for the opposition and hatred of grace.
You are against the risen Christ and His availability.
You really don't believe Jesus rose or that Jesus is Lord.
Your disbelief and your teaching of disbelief is subtly hidden in a cloak of being against the Christian mouth of confession. Your rejection of the resurrected and exalted Christ is hidden in a cloak of being for works to REPLACE eternal redemption in Jesus Christ.
@sonship said.. If a man love me, he will keep my words:
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You talk a good game Rajk999.
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
(John 14:23 KJV)
For not the hearers of the law are just before God,
but the doers of the law shall be justified.
(Romans 2:13 KJV)
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I know you can find verses.
I know that. I know which ones you would use.
The façade of disbelief cannot be concealed though.
I know you can reach for passages to cloak that Christ is not the risen Lord for you.
Jesus is not Lord to you.
Jesus did not physically and bodily rise from the dead in your "gospel".
I know you can reach for lots of "commandment" verses to hide your unbelief.
@sonship saidYou are a hypocrite, in love with yourself, living in the delusion that you can fool God with mouth worship
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I know you can find verses.
I know that. I know which ones you would use.
The façade of disbelief cannot be concealed though.
I know you can reach for passages to cloak that Christ is not the risen Lord for you.
Jesus is not Lord to you.
Jesus did not physically and bodily rise from the dead in your "gospel".
I know you can reach for lots of "commandment" verses to hide your unbelief.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21 KJV)
Your evil heart cannot even begin to think the words of Christ to tell people the truth about eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
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Tell the people that Jesus rose physically and bodily from the dead.
And tell them He said by our words we would be justified or condemned.
"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matt. 12:37)
Lie and tell the people all who believe this are for continuing to live as unbelievers.
That is your strong excuse.
You desperately need that prejudice.
It is no wonder that you so often feel more comradery and companionship with atheists - so-called Jesus commandment keeping atheists.
@sonship saidSo far the only one quoting what Jesus said about eternal life in the Kingdom of God is me. You are just beating your gum and promoting your mumbo jumbo church nonsense. Why can you not quote the words of Jesus about who gets eternal life and who gets to go to hell. Here is another one, you dont know about
@Rajk999
Tell the people that Jesus rose physically and bodily from the dead.
And tell them He said by our words we would be justified or condemned.
"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matt. 12:37)
Lie and tell the people all who believe this are for continuing to live as unbelievers.
That is your str ...[text shortened]... feel more comradery and companionship with atheists - so-called Jesus commandment keeping atheists.
And ... the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:33-36 KJV)
The ones who profess to know about his resurrection are cast out
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The ones who profess to know about his resurrection are cast out
Nowhere in Matt. 25:31-46 does it say that.
For you there is no physical / bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For you all confession of Jesus as the resurrected Lord is vain mouthing.
Your unbelief in the New Testament is disguised in a cloak of good doing to replace the redemptive work of the Son of God, including His resurrection and indwelling.
You have developed the ancient first human religion of Cain of self justification through man's own good works.
@sonship saidAfter half a dozen posts, you cannot produce a single reference from Jesus Christ about any of the nonsense you talking. So it is clear that your doctrine is of man and not of God, a gross fabrication of the church.
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The ones who profess to know about his resurrection are cast out
Nowhere in Matt. 25:31-46 does it say that.
For you there is no physical / bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For you all confession of Jesus as the resurrected Lord is vain mouthing.
Your unbelief in the New Testament is disguised in a clo ...[text shortened]... the ancient first human religion of Cain of self justification through man's own good works.
Nowhere would you find that Jesus says to call him Lord Lord as a prerequisite for eternal life. In fact Jesus condemned these Lord Lord people, called them hypocrites and fools, and cast them out of the Kingdom of God.
Nowhere is there any teaching from Jesus Christ about ... ..the redemptive work of the Son of God, including His resurrection and indwelling., This doctrine is a crooked failed church doctrine that has no support from Christ. It is nonsense designed to fool the gullible church masses into giving their money to the pastor. Foolish Christians like you have no clue what the purpose of the death of Christ was for, because you continue to abuse the Grace of God and the cross of Christ to promote sin and evil.
Sadly what Jesus did in fact say is required for eternal life, you and you type ignore these teachings and twist them to mean something else, because it means that you have to be a good person, you have to be charitable and giving, be generous and helpful to those in need. But because you are crooked and evil you do not want to do that. Christians like you are selfish and greedy pieces of garbage. So take your church doctrine and shove it.
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In that last diatribe you did mention Christ's death. But you cannot conceal your disbelief in the physical and bodily resurrection of Christ.
And to bribe your conscience you push a rationale of being better than all the churches and wanting to teach being charitable is more important than faith in Christ.
But the New Testament says if Christ did not rise then our hope is in vain and our faith is in vain.
"And if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation is vain, your faith is vain also. And we are found to be false witnesses of God because we have testified concerning God that He raised Christ . . . And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." (1 Cor. 15:14-17)
You see Rajk999 you are bribing your conscience to offer God something ELSE besides trust in His Son's resurrection. You cannot surrender in faith to the resurrected Lord Jesus. To rationalize your rebellion and rejection of Him you construct an elaborate BRIBE of offering God something else instead.
That is you offer that you are more concerned about keeping of Jesus' commandments and being charitable. And there are plenty of passages which SEEM to be a good cover for unbelief and your preaching of "another Jesus".
Under the guise of despising mouth worship your real intention is to reject and disbelieve the Gospel and come with something ELSE but not Christ and His redemptive death AND bodily resurrection. All the seemingly right talk about keeping the commandments of Jesus is what you bring INSTEAD of trust in the Redeemer who died AND rose.
@sonship saidNothing from Jesus Christ? Still? Are you sure you cannot find anything from the teachings of Christ to support your church doctrine? Nothing at all? And clearly that does not bother you.
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In that last diatribe you did mention Christ's death. But you cannot conceal your disbelief in the physical and bodily resurrection of Christ.
And to bribe your conscience you push a rationale of being better than all the churches and wanting to teach being charitable is more important than faith in Christ.
But the New Testament ...[text shortened]... commandments of Jesus is what you bring INSTEAD of trust in the Redeemer who died AND rose.
Im done. The floor is all yours.
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Nothing from Jesus Christ?
The whole Bible is from Jesus Christ.
The Gospel of John is from Jesus Christ.
The epistles of His apostles including the Apostle Paul are from Jesus Christ.
No, it is not just the red letters in your Red Letter King James in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that are the word of Christ.
And if I answer your challenge with red letter quotations that does not mean that Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Acts, First Thessalonians, and the epistles of Peter, James and John are not ALSO the word of Christ.
Your subtlety is USELESS.
Some of us are not deceived by your subtle slight of hand.
By answering you with the "red letters" that in NO WAY concedes that Paul's letter to the Romans is not the word of Christ just as much.
Nor does ONE quotation from the Lord's mouth in one of the Gospels mean that that is His ONLY word on the subject. Your subtlety, tricks, maneuvers, and tricky games we have all seen.
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A few words from the Lord's mouth:
Before His death and After His resurrection:
BEFORE His redemptive death Jesus said:
"And similarly the cup after they had dined, saying, This cup is the new covenant established in My blood, which is being poured out for you." (Luke 22:20)
" . . . Jesus took bread and blessed it, and He broke it and gave it to the disciples and said, Take, eat; this is My body. And He took a cup and gave thanks, and He gave it to them, saying, Drink of it, all of you.
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For this is MY blood of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. "
AFTER His physical and bodily resurrection Jesus said:
"Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures; And He said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise up from the dead on the third day, And that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things." (Luke 24:45-48}
And prior to this He said:
" . . . O foolish and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and enter into His glory? And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, He explained to them clearly in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself." (Luke 24:25-27)