Credit Where Credit is Due

Rajk999, your way of OPPOSING the Gospel and the witnesses is to come babbling about how you're better than all the money grubbing churches. For after all and you have red letter words about keeping the commandments of Jesus alone for eternal life. You come to USE parts of the New Testament to actually OPPOSE the New Testament.

Actually the effect of your teaching is to make people more and more INDEPENDENT of the resurrected Christ and more trusting in their own self- righteous good doing looking down your nose at believers all as only "mouth worshippers."

People who take in your "gospel" of a non-resurrected Jesus who once told you to do commandments to get eternal life, causes the heart to be COLD towards Christ - not believing that Christ is available to be a Helper. And one is more to trust his own "I'm more charitable than thou" self effort from religious energy of the flesh.

I am opening a new thread about the contempt law keepers have for grace.

"Isaac vs Ishmael"

I didn't say I had no more to say about praying with the Scripture or pray-reading.

Am I saying that pray-reading is something a Christian HAS to do?
No.

Am I saying I will not fellowship with a Christian who doesn't like to pray-read?
No, I am not saying that.

It may be like speaking in tongues.
You may want to try it or you may want not to try it.

I might say that mixing some reading with praying is PROBABLY something most Christians have done at least sometime in their life (without being conscious of it).

If you take the two matters separately though.

How can a believer be spiritually healthy if he doesn't pray? Its really really hard.

How can a believer be spiritually healthy of he doesn't read the word of God? It is too really, really hard.

What harm is there is sometimes mixing the two together.
None, in my opinion.
In fact it can be quite healthy - resurrecting two birds with one stone.
(To say kill two birds is not as good)

@sonship said
I didn't say I had no more to say about praying with the Scripture or pray-reading.

Am I saying that pray-reading is something a Christian HAS to do?
No.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The reason a Christian is not required to pray read is that it is not a biblical concept. Praying and reading the Bible are two entirely separate undertakings.

@divegeester

But…what does “Witness Lee” say??

But…what does “Witness Lee” say??

Jewish Nanotech inventor and leading scientist James Tour gives testimony of how he met Yeshua (Jesus) and was blessed by reading the Bible and stopping over key passages that God uses to speak to him.

From Judaism to Jesus | Why some don't engage with the claims of Christ | Reasonable Faith UK
YouTube

Whoever thumbed down many of these posts with a sign of disapproval should be ashamed of themselves. That is especially the ones helping people to understand the helpful practice of praying and reading in a mixed way the Holy Bible.

@sonship said
@divegeester

But…what does “Witness Lee” say??

Give it a break.
The faithful brother died in 1997. We're still here (who were helped by his ministry).

@sonship said
Whoever thumbed down many of these posts with a sign of disapproval should be ashamed of themselves. That is especially the ones helping people to understand the helpful practice of praying and reading in a mixed way the Holy Bible.

@sonship said
I don't recall off hand a requirement in the Bible that a Christian must mix his praying and reading of the Bible together.

Praying over the word of God is good./ Don't let people discourage you from mixing your prayer and your reading of the Bible.

When Jesus died on the cross the only Scriptures they had were the Tanak - the Old Testament.

Would you believe it? Jesus, in dying, mixed His reciting of the Scripture with a prayer. Sure He did. He PRAYED and He REPEATED Psalm 22:1

" And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is, My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" (Matthew 27:46)

Who can deny that this was the Lord Jesus PRAYING?
Even crying out praying in desperation it was.

Who can deny that this was also reciting the Bible?
He was repeating the only Scriptures they had at that time.

"My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, From the words of my groaning?" (Psalm 22:1)


If praying and speaking the word of God was good for Jesus Christ, shouldn't it be good for His lovers to also do?

The word of God gives life. It enlivens within with spiritual vitality.
Why some are enlivened and others are deadened is mysterious but it is true.

When we search the Scriptures we also have to turn our heart towards God as a living Person that God is in reality. Then His word will enliven as we touch God.

Psalm 119 is great in showing how the words of God enlivened David who loved God and mused (considering, meditated, and prayerfully absorbed) His word.

verse 25 - My soul clings to the dust; ENLIVEN me according to Your word.

He knew God's word would infuse him with vital spiritual life.

verse 32 - Princes as well have sat and spoken against me, But Your servant mused upon Your statues."

What people said about him had no effect because of his musing on God's word.

verse 37 - Turn my eyes from beholding vanity. And ENLIVEN me in Your ways."

To muse and absorb the word of God imparts solid reality into one's life rescuing him from vanity, emptiness, futility, and purposelessness.