Originally posted by FabianFnasI just read the 'prophecy' you refered to now and if that's the best you can do I'm really disappointed. This is a feeble, weak attempt at proving that the Bible contains false prophecy. I think I will quite enjoy refuting it.
Okay, but I will use the three points anyway:
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(1) In 3:10 we can read a prophecy from the mouth of god. There was a time condition implied, like 'before we get there'.
(2) In 7:12 they got there but the Canaanites was still there.
(3) The prophecy in (1) is inconstistent with (2), hence the prophecy didn't turn out. I've found a prophecy that is f ...[text shortened]... t from the beginning, he cannot admit anything is wrong in the bible.
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P.S. Your own "fundamentalists mind is set from the beginning, [you]cannot admit anything is [right] in the bible." You are clearly just as 'fundamentalist' as you accuse us of being... but you've probably never considered that.😛
Sorry, FabianFnas, I was busy with my reply, but something in my last post was deemed 'inappropriate' by the site. I'm just waitin for an explanation so I can rectify my language if there was something wrong with it.
I don't think I used any offensive language, so I don't quite understand the decision.
Will continue the discussion as soon as possible...
Originally posted by Henry236 posts and nothing but BS. Are you a man or a mouse (or a politician)?
Sorry, FabianFnas, I was busy with my reply, but something in my last post was deemed 'inappropriate' by the site. I'm just waitin for an explanation so I can rectify my language if there was something wrong with it.
I don't think I used any offensive language, so I don't quite understand the decision.
Will continue the discussion as soon as possible...
Just say it. Repeat after me ...."The case in Joshua given by FF is a an example of a prophecy that was false."
Originally posted by Rajk999Moses did not enter the promised land. He did see it.
My guess is that you wont get any answer.
Sometimes, espeically in the OT, God makes a statement, a promise or a prediction through one of the prophets and because someone does something wrong, the plan changes. This is probably what happened in Joshua.
I think God had promised Moses that He will see the promised land, but because Moses was disobedien ...[text shortened]... rom seeing it and died before the Israelites reached the land.
Just my opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by FabianFnasI wonder if you always keep your word despite other people's behavior. Some behavior is so bad that they forfeit the promise. You seem to be guessing that God would do things like you would if you were omniscient. P.S. By the way here is the main promise to Israel. Ex 19:5,6 and 8 and 20:3-17. Do not forget that damnation or judgment is a promise as well.
The best suggestion for a defence so far.
But at the time a prophecy is given, god should know this, or else it is only a guessing.
Do you suggest that every prophecy is a mere guessing? I do. Some strike, some don't. Like betting horses.
Originally posted by gambit3You compare me to god? Your only too nice! Thank you for the compliment.
I wonder if you always keep your word despite other people's behavior. Some behavior is so bad that they forfeit the promise. You seem to be guessing that God would do things like you would if you were omniscient. P.S. By the way here is the main promise to Israel. Ex 19:5,6 and 8 and 20:3-17. Do not forget that damnation or judgment is a promise as well.
But I'm not god, sorry to say, you have to find your god elsewhere.
I had the postulates from henry23 and Drimachus that every prophecy is true. They bet on their honour that this postulate is true. I've found a prophecy that is false. Therefore they lost their bet. That was the deal.
Every prophecy is not true, as was postulated by henry23 and Drimachus. That's the whole point.
Originally posted by FabianFnasThe site managers haven't come back to me about what was wrong with my previous post (which was disallowed), but I'll start refuting your claim so long.
(1) In 3:10 we can read a prophecy from the mouth of god. There was a time condition implied, like 'before we get there'.
(2) In 7:12 they got there but the Canaanites was still there.
(3) The prophecy in (1) is inconstistent with (2), hence the prophecy didn't turn out. I've found a prophecy that is false.
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You made many mistakes, which I'll address one by one:
Joshua 3:10 starts by saying, 'And Joshua said,' so it is not 'from the mouth of god' as you claim. In fact, Joshua wasn't even speaking on his own accord, he was refering back to and confirming a promise God had given through Moses in Ex 23. Joshua said that the fact they would pass through the Jordan river as on dry land would be confirmation that God is committed to His side of the bargain.
So to fully understand what Joshua was saying we must read the portion he was quoting from in Ex 23. I'll do this in my next post.
P.S. you'll notice from my next post the the 'time condition' is not implied, but explicitly stated and is not 'like before we get there.'
Let's try again:
Ex 23:20-30 "Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared.21 Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.
22 "But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
23 "When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, and I blot them out,24 you shall not bow down to their gods nor serve them, nor do as they do, but you shall utterly overthrow them and break their pillars in pieces.25 You shall serve the LORD your God, and he will bless your bread and your water, and I will take sickness away from among you.26 None shall miscarry or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.27 I will send my terror before you and will throw into confusion all the people against whom you shall come, and I will make all your enemies turn their backs to you.28 And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivites, the Canaanites, and the Hittites from before you.29 I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the wild beasts multiply against you.30 Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased and possess the land.
If this Scripture is allowed to be posted I'll discuss it below...
Great!
As you can see from Ex 23:20-30 which Joshua refers to in Josh 3:10, we are not dealing with a prophecy but a promise, and a conditional promise at that.
God says through Moses: 'But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.'
If Israel fulfills the condition of obedience He will drive out their enemies; also they must '...make no covenant with them and their gods.' (Ex 23:32)
The 'time condition' you spoke of is stated as follows:
29 I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the wild beasts multiply against you.30 Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased and possess the land.
Since Israel did make a covenant with the Cananites and so did not fulfill the condition of the promise God was under no obligation to fulfill his side. In fact as punishment for their disobedience God later makes the following promise:
Judges 2: 1Now the angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, "I brought you up from Egypt and brought you into the land that I swore to give to your fathers. I said, 'I will never break my covenant with you,2 and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars.' But you have not obeyed my voice. What is this you have done?3 So now I say, I will not drive them out before you, but they shall become thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare to you."
So as you can see, dear FabianFnas, this was a feeble and weak attempt to present a false prophecy. If you'd looked at the context of the Scripture you'd have noticed Josh 3:10 was a conditional promise and not even a prophecy at all...
Your proof wasn't as water tight as you thought after all. What was that word you used?
'cocky...'