04 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOkay, your apology for incessant name calling and ad hominen attacks on this forum for as long as i can remember is an act of humility. That doesn't make you a humble person, not in the slightest. And it still doesn't alter the fact that i, and no doubt numerous other posters on this forum, don't see you as a humble and self-effacing person.
why should it be so, either a genuine apology is an act of humility or its not.
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Originally posted by galveston75I said I would apologize if I could not substantiate my characterization of you wanting the End Times to come with all that it entailed. Near the bottom of page 15 on Thread 150989 you will find I have made my case, whether you like it or not. I have no reason to apologize.
LIke you still have not apologized to me about the statement I never made? I'm still waiting on that one....
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by FMFRiiiiiiight. We all knew you wouldn't and that is not a good trait to have. But you are who you are.
I said I would apologize if I could not substantiate my characterization of you wanting the End Times to come. Near the bottom of page 15 on Thread 150989 you will find I have made my case, whether you like it or not. I have no reason to apologize.
You know the point that as a human that you miss completely is being kind and curtious to others. A wonderful trait as a human to have and to show to others is humility even if one thinks they are right to the core on their opinions.
I know exactly what you stated I said. I know I didn't especially since you never produced that exact statement.
You simply took some thoughts that I did back up from the Bible and then thru it all together is some ridiculas statement.
So if one did have humility within their personality and cared about another persons view and respected it, one should simply apologize and move on. No big deal if you had actually done what you promissed. But pride is a biggy here huh?
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by galveston75What "exact statement"? I never claimed that my characterization was an "exact statement" or an exact quote. You added the quotation marks, not me. You will find I have made my case, near the bottom of page 15 on Thread 150989.
I know I didn't especially since you never produced that exact statement.
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Dr. Rodney Stark is one of the experts in the US on what a "cult" is. He is Sociologist of religion and his model of why people convert from one group to another is refered to by many scholars.
His work on what usually constitutes what people call a "cult" is quite fair, objective, and scholarly.
Here's a little Wiki bio on Dr. Stark:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Stark
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by galveston75Riiiiiiight. We all knew you wouldn't and that is not a good trait to have. But you are who you are. You know the point that as a human that you miss completely is being kind and curtious to others. A wonderful trait as a human to have and to show to others is humility even if one thinks they are right to the core on their opinions. [...] So if one did have humility within their personality and cared about another persons view and respected it, one should simply apologize and move on. No big deal if you had actually done what you promissed. But pride is a biggy here huh?
This is all very well and good if it makes you feel good, galveston75, but all it is, is a long drawn out ad hominem.
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04 Feb 13
Originally posted by sonshipInteresting:
Dr. Rodney Stark is one of the experts in the US on what a "cult" is. He is Sociologist of religion and his model of why people convert from one group to another is refered to by many scholars.
His work on what usually constitutes what people call a "cult" is quite fair, objective, and scholarly.
Here's a little Wiki bio on Dr. Stark:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Stark
Stark has suggested that Christianity grew because it treated women better than pagan religions. He also suggested that making Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire weakened the faithfulness of the Christian community by bringing in people who did not really believe or had a weaker belief. This is consistent with Stark's published observations of contemporary religious movements, where once-successful faith movements gradually decline in fervor due to the free rider problem.
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhen I think of a cult, Jim Jones (Peoples Temple), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Marshall Applewhite (Heavens Gate), Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Rajneeshpuram) comes to mind. What these folks all had in common is that their followers submitted to the leaders whims, and whatever they dictated. Most if not all of these groups turned over money and property to the leader or 'church' as a sign of commitment, the unfortunate end to most of the well meaning people was an untimely death at the hands of their leaders. I remember watching on TV the horror of what happened with all the above mentioned groups, it was awful. I think it was for these reasons that the following scripture reference comes to life...
I have noticed that in religious discussion that there has been the indiscriminate use of the term cult. For example i was listening to a radio program in which a rather right wing American evangelist termed Islam as not a religion but as a cult. On these very forums, Christianity has also been termed a cult, usually without much regard for what t ...[text shortened]... term actually means. So what are the definitive characteristics of a cult, this is my question.
1 John 4:1-3
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by kd2aczVery good comment.....
When I think of a cult, Jim Jones (Peoples Temple), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Marshall Applewhite (Heavens Gate), Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Rajneeshpuram) comes to mind. What these folks all had in common is that their followers submitted to the leaders whims, and whatever they dictated. Most if not all of these groups turned over money and property to ...[text shortened]... the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Originally posted by kd2aczyes a rose among thorns! thanks for remaining on topic. Some of these others, you need to reel them in from time to time.
When I think of a cult, Jim Jones (Peoples Temple), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Marshall Applewhite (Heavens Gate), Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Rajneeshpuram) comes to mind. What these folks all had in common is that their followers submitted to the leaders whims, and whatever they dictated. Most if not all of these groups turned over money and property to the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
04 Feb 13
Originally posted by Proper Knobso i demonstrate an act of humility and I am not a humble person, wow.
Okay, your apology for incessant name calling and ad hominen attacks on this forum for as long as i can remember is an act of humility. That doesn't make you a humble person, not in the slightest. And it still doesn't alter the fact that i, and no doubt numerous other posters on this forum, don't see you as a humble and self-effacing person.