06 Feb 13
I know this is hypothetical but if the Watchtower gave orders via the "awake" and said on June 1st the world is going to end and gave many proofs for this stance and said all faithful JW's must drink the red kool-Aid laced with poison and be dead before the 2nd would G-Man and R.C. do it ? I would hope not but Cult Sheeple usually listen and obey without question.
Manny
06 Feb 13
Originally posted by menace71I think it's a word with broad application that is 'damaged' through it being used subjectively to indicate disapproval of the group in question.
I'm trying to stay objective and just think on the classic definition and hope others would look at it that way
What I am more interested in is how a group's dogma sets them apart and whether it is calculated, and if and how they cultivate and reinforce a sense of "otherness" and exceptionalism. Mostly I am interested in the resulting intellectual and interpersonal behavior in the course of promoting and defending the group, and the approach to handling criticism and dissent in particular.
06 Feb 13
Originally posted by menace71thanks, if ever we need advice on how to be a witness and disobey both our elders and this Biblical command,
I know this is hypothetical but if the Watchtower gave orders via the "awake" and said on June 1st the world is going to end and gave many proofs for this stance and said all faithful JW's must drink the red kool-Aid laced with poison and be dead before the 2nd would G-Man and R.C. do it ? I would hope not but Cult Sheeple usually listen and obey without question.
Manny
(Hebrews 13:17) Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you.
then we know where to come, where else would we go, you have sayings of everlasting life.
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by menace71it was too much to hope for, the haters have singled out Jehovahs witness once again, despite there being a whole other thread dedicated where they could vent their negativity. Despite being asked why they have done so, they could not give an honest answer, let them hate, if its all they know its no wonder that they have so many issues.
LOL well.....I'm not calling out any groups here but if the shoe fits then wear it right?
I'm trying to stay objective and just think on the classic definition and hope others would look at it that way
Manny
06 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould it be fair to say you are 'closed minded' about the views of ex JW's?
thanks, if ever we need advice on how to be a witness and disobey both our elders and this Biblical command,
(Hebrews 13:17) Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be ...[text shortened]... u.
then we know where to come, where else would we go, you have sayings of everlasting life.
06 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you saying menace71 is a "hater"?
it was too much to hope for, the haters have singled out Jehovahs witness once again, despite there being a whole other thread dedicated where they could vent their negativity. Despite being asked why they have done so, they could not give an honest answer, let them hate, if its all they know its no wonder that they have so many issues.
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Proper KnobNo i don't, the Bible states that it will happen, it has happened and continues to happen, that people will 'disown the faith', its their business. Its one thing to leave or be kicked out, its quite another to start bitchin about it for soup stirrers and old sweetie wives to stir. Why were they once witness and now they are not? It is of course not their fault, they did nothing at all, it was all those bad ol putty cat witness. Lol, always blaming someone else.
Would it be fair to say you are 'closed minded' about the views of ex JW's?
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut don't many ex-JWs actually just move to other Christian denominations? That can't be described as 'disowning the faith'.
No i don't, the Bible states that it will happen, it has happened and continues to happen, that people will 'disown the faith'...
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you haven't read any testimony and you have no intention of reading any testimony from ex JW's and that doesn't make you closed minded with respect to this issue? Are you using a special definition of closed minded here Rob?
No i don't, the Bible states that it will happen, it has happened and continues to happen, that people will 'disown the faith', its their business. Its one thing to leave or be kicked out, its quite another to start bitchin about it for soup stirrers and old sweetie wives to stir. Why were they once witness and now they are not? It is of course no ...[text shortened]... nothing at all, it was all those bad ol putty cat witness. Lol, always blaming someone else.
If you haven't read any ex JW testimony how do you know what they're 'bitchin' about? Maybe some of them have legitimate grievances? But then you'd never know because you choose to remain closed minded about the whole issue, just as you do about other factors. Just dismiss them all as haters, easier that way.
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Proper Knoblook dude, i have been a witness since 1994, it happens. Let me give you an example. There was this person, Mark Hunter, brought up as a witness by his parents. I knew him personally, he was a friend, our kids played together, we socialised etc etc, he got a rather well paying job making video presentations for businesses, however his boss, was an evangelical Christian and anti-witness. He started feeding Mark negativity, like divesgeester tries to do and FMF stirs with his wooden spoon. About the same time he was made an elder of Jehovahs witness and to all intents and purposes was a caring and considerate one. However, I noticed a change in his disposition, he became a little arrogant because of his job and his position within the congregation. He was prior to the meetings photocopying documents, confidential and personal documents. Why, so that he could post them on anti-witness hate sites that were feeding his negativity. Eventually he was removed as an Elder and disassociated himself (stating that he no longer wanted to be a witness). Now you can ask yourself the question, what had the Witnesses done to him? and the answer is nothing, yet because of his pride and the negativity he was party to, it then made a once happy and fulfilled person likewise a negative and spiteful man. If he had wanted to leave fine, but that was not enough for him, he wanted to cause as much damage prior to his leaving as he could. A false brother for sure.
So you haven't read any testimony and you have no intention of reading any testimony from ex JW's and that doesn't make you closed minded with respect to this issue? Are you using a special definition of closed minded here Rob?
If you haven't read any ex JW testimony how do you know what they're 'bitchin' about? Maybe some of them have legitimate grie hoose to remain closed minded about the whole issue, just as you do about other factors.
Now you can give credence to any stories you like, but I will be pleased if you refrained from telling me what I do and do not know with regard to Jehovahs Witnesses and what transpires among us, I have been a witness since 1994, you people have NO EXPERIENCE of being a Witness. If you want to feed your minds on negativity then again, that is your business, I prefer to be a positive and happy individual, i do not have any issues and I don't intended to get any either - regards Robbie.
06 Feb 13
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs there something you wish us to extrapolate from this story? And if so, how many ex-JWs do you claim it applies to?
Eventually he was removed as an Elder and disassociated himself (stating that he no longer wanted to be a witness).
Now you can ask yourself the question, what had the Witnesses done to him? and the answer is nothing,
Why didn't you take a look at what he posted on the net after he left? Why do you ask yourself a key question and then answer it yourself by saying "the answer is nothing" when the answer may well be in the reasons that he has given and shared publicly?
06 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you think this one story is indicative of every JW who leaves the organisation? Surely not.
look dude, i have been a witness since 1994, it happens. Let me give you an example. There was this person, Mark Hunter, brought up as a witness by his parents. I knew him personally, he was a friend, our kids played together, we socialised etc etc, he got a rather well paying job making video presentations for businesses, however his boss, was an ...[text shortened]... y individual, i do not have any issues and I don't intended to get any either - regards Robbie.
Your're correct that I am not a Witness, and I have zero I interest of being a Witness, but what does that have to do with anything we're discussing? You're not a scientist yet that doesn't stop you blathering on about science which contradicts your religious beliefs.
You have this incredibly lazy intellectual cop out of dismissing people as 'haters'. Posters on this forum who disagree with you get dismissed as 'haters', people who leave your organisation get dismissed as 'haters'. No doubt some of them are, but surely not all of them? Instead of claiming that they are all 'haters' and 'bitchin' why not practice what you claim to do and read the evidence for yourself and evaluate with your own mind. If not, just come out with the truth and say 'I have zero interest in reading their testimony as I don't wish for it to sow any seeds of doubt in my mind'.