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Originally posted by @fmfWhere was the question that was dodged ?
Ghost of a Duke is talking about the content of your post. You focusing instead on "the number of edits" is a dodge/deflection.
The content of Ghost of a Duke's comment was with regard to these words written by you:
[b]Understand that Rajk999 is into argument by humiliation. He poisons the well. Its like a person with body odor whom people learn to avoid ...[text shortened]... t their departure is because of his superior intellect. No, its just the smell he gives off.[/b]
Only 2 edits on that little Christian gem.
Nice.
'The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times.'
22 Feb 18
It is kind of interesting to suggest that we are literally supposed to not sin, in any capacity, anymore.
I do not think there is any reason to believe that once you realize that you have had a dark, judgmental thought about someone else you must be able to never, ever do it again or you will be sent to hell -- even after subsequent contrite repentance after the thought.
They say that one should take communion and attend Church frequently, as well as see a confessor...
I was told that we should confess the things that bother us and once we do so Christ receives them and we are healed from them. Those sins cannot actually really be used against us anymore.
For very minor things, simply regretting the deed is pretty sufficient, but for very major things, while sincere contrition is entirely adequate, it is definitely best for us to tell oru spiritual Father or even just a friend about it and perhaps show contrition through very specific prayer and repentance for forgiveness.
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22 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfAnd you are assuming that making another comment of my own is a "dodge" and a "defection".
I didn't say there was a question. I said that you dodged the content of Ghost of a Duke post by pretending that it was about the number of edits.
Questions are dodged.
Another comment is just another statement.
And I think I understood that he was commenting on my occasionally applying multiple edits to correct typos and other things I desire to fix.
My commenting on some people's habit of counting various things which I find less important is just my comment.
He gives an opinion.
I give one too.
No dodging or deflecting involved.
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Originally posted by @rajk999People are made righteous (in right standing with God) by believing in and accepting Jesus Christ into their heart a la John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. If they are sincere in their belief in Christ and acceptance of Him, God’s Holy Spirit indwells them and changes their heart and behavior.
Of course Jesus saved the whole world from sin by his death.
But only those who live righteously get into the Kingdom of God.
Originally posted by @sonshipFor you to ignore his ironic characterization of your words as a "Christian gem" and talk instead about the number of edits was most certainly a dodge. Did the 2 edits make your words more of a "Christian gem" or less of a "Christian gem"? It's as if you are pretending to be unable to discern the meaning of what Ghost of a Duke said to you.
And you are assuming that making another comment of my own is a "dodge" and a "defection".
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Originally posted by @sonshipBeautiful passage from Romans:
Where is the scripture plainly saying that Jesus saved the whole world from sin by His death ?
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.“
(Romans 5:12-21)
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Originally posted by @philokalia
For very minor things, simply regretting the deed is pretty sufficient, but for very major things, while sincere contrition is entirely adequate, it is definitely best for us to tell oru spiritual Father or even just a friend about it and perhaps show contrition through very specific prayer and repentance for forgiveness.
New believers, I think, should be given a firm foundation concerning what deals with the problem of our sins before God and what really does not.
Time passed does not cleanse us from our sins.
Contrition does not cleanse us.
Our regret does not cleanse us.
Our tears, our embarressment, our regret, our remorse, our sorrow, our wanting to do better, really even our confession does not directly do the cleansing ... these may or may not be accompanying events.
None of them cleanses us from our sins. We need to realize that it is the blood of Jesus the cleanses us from our sins.
And it is ONLY His precious blood which does the cleansing.
Nothing WE do can cleanse us short of believing in Christ. It is only the blood of Jesus that cleanses us before God from every sin.
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Originally posted by @romans1009Thankyou Romans1009.
The question to Rajk999 is "Where did it say Jesus saved the whole world by His death?"
It is not "Where did it say Jesus died for all?"
Please notice:
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This just says death passed on to all.
This just says all have sinned.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Still though, nothing about Jesus saved the whole world.
That is Universalism.
But I intend to be fair.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Notice, the gift by grace abounded to WHO? ... "unto MANY". Still not "Jesus saved the whole world."
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Notice, the benefit of righteousness is to "they which receive the abundance of grace".
We could only say that He saved the whole world if both those who receive and those who reject the abundance of grace were mentioned.
As it stands, the saving is towards "they who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness."
Some of the world reject the grace and the gift.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Now this comes close. The gift came upon all men. But not all men receive the gift. Only if all men received the gift could we say Jesus saved the whole world.
Rajk999, seems to teach a Universalism plus Judiasm.
Ie. "All the world got saved but only law keeping will keep you saved."
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
"[M]any ... be made righteous." Not the whole world.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.“
(Romans 5:12-21)
Most beautiful though. Amen.
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Originally posted by @fmfI'm not pretending to not understand "Christian gem" was a bit of sarcasm.
For you to ignore his ironic characterization of your words as a "Christian gem" and talk instead about the number of edits was most certainly a dodge. Did the 2 edits make your words more of a "Christian gem" or less of a "Christian gem"? It's as if you are pretending to be unable to discern the meaning of what Ghost of a Duke said to you.
He gave an opinion.
I gave an opinion.
You don't like that and call it a dodge.
Questions are dodged.
Ignoring some sarcasm is not a dodge or deflection.
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Originally posted by @sonshipBump for Rajk999
Where has Witness Lee said that he had his own "sheep" ?
By using the Search Engine on [b]www.ministrybooks.org you may locate every instance of the word "sheep" in any of the hundreds of publications of messages by Witness Lee.
Find the quote in which Lee said that he himself had sheep.
What false doctrine did Witness ...[text shortened]... you next post give specific proofs of your two accusations, one, implied and the other explicit.[/b]
Where has Witness Lee said that he had his own "sheep" ?
By using the Search Engine on www.ministrybooks.org you may locate every instance of the word "sheep" in any of the hundreds of publications of messages by Witness Lee.
Find the quote in which Lee said that he himself had sheep.
What false doctrine did Witness Lee teach ?
Make you next post give specific proofs of your two accusations, one, implied and the other explicit.
You can also handled WHERE the Bible says Jesus saved the whole world by His death.
I find that He died for all.
I find that He was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.
Your invention is "Jesus saved the whole world".
I still hate to dignify your ignorant and belligerent posts.
22 Feb 18
Originally posted by @sonshipDid your remark about Rajk999 have anything to do with your claims that Jesus is "flowing out" of you and that the "Holy Spirit" is "indwelling" in you? No sarcasm intended.
I'm not pretending to not understand "Christian gem" was a bit of sarcasm.
He gave an opinion.
I gave an opinion.
You don't like that and call it a dodge.
Questions are dodged.
Ignoring some sarcasm is not a dodge or deflection.
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Originally posted by @fmfSo this rehash of a question is an admition that your previous attempt at accusation has been roundly refuted?
Did your remark about Rajk999 have anything to do with your claims that Jesus is "flowing out" of you and that the "Holy Spirit" is "indwelling" in you? No sarcasm intended.
"If that doesn't work, go back to trying this."
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FMF,
What assurance do we have that you would recognize IF and WHEN the Holy Spirit was flowing towards you ?
What assurance do we have that YOU would recognize OR welcome such a matter?
Not a heck-of-a-helluva!
"Hey sonship, Jesus flowing out of you all the time ??"
Na. I'm still a work in progress.
Ummm, like you'd welcome Jesus flowing to you if He was ?