04 Oct 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerthanks, that's really interesting.
Sorry for the cut and paste, but I hope this helps:
A controversial question is whether it is God's plan for animals to be in heaven or not. Many Christians believe that heaven just would not be heaven without animals. Certainly I believe that the Creator of millions of different species of animals, birds, insects and fish is a God who loves variety an ...[text shortened]... dhearted vivisectionists and ivory poachers.
http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/animals.htm
so there are no 'sinful' animals, then?
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by Halitosebut who would the dog prefer to rescue if the situation was reversed?
When it comes to comparing humans to animals, I do think there are intrinsic differences. Which would you rather save from your burning house? The family dog, or your 2 year old baby?
his/her puppies or you?
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerPerhaps you should pay closer attention to the Doctor's fine work in this thread. He has opened new frontiers in the cosmological argument.
Here is the only solution:
*There is only one God and he was never created because he is eternal.*
The profundity of the Doctor's revelations can be very hard to grasp, so let me help you along a bit by offering just one of many possible alternative solutions.
"A greater God created your god and this greater God was never created because he is eternal."
Homework: Try to find another argument similar to the one above but in which this "greater God" is also created. Then find a cause for this cause. And then another for this new cause. Continue ad infinitum.
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by telerioni fear i may have set that ball rolling myself on page 2.
Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the Doctor's fine work in this thread. He has opened new frontiers in the cosmological argument.
The profundity of the Doctor's revelations can be very hard to grasp, so let me help you along a bit by offering just one of many possible alternative solutions.
"A greater God created your god and this gre ...[text shortened]... ind a cause for this cause. And then another for this new cause. Continue ad infinitum.
my ironic and pithy remark has indeed been flogged to death by the doctor.
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04 Oct 05
Originally posted by telerion"A greater God created your god and this greater God was never created because he is eternal."
Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the Doctor's fine work in this thread. He has opened new frontiers in the cosmological argument.
The profundity of the Doctor's revelations can be very hard to grasp, so let me help you along a bit by offering just one of many possible alternative solutions.
"A greater God created your god and this gre ...[text shortened]... ind a cause for this cause. And then another for this new cause. Continue ad infinitum.
Which ever way you look at it you require an element of faith. Faith in my God is supported by divine revelation in the Bible.
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by murroweven an attack dog that kills babies, for example?
even an attack dog that kills babies, for example?
i'd be very angry if i got to heaven and found one of those waiting for me!
Yes.
i'd be very angry if i got to heaven and found one of those waiting for me!
What makes you think such an animal would still be vicious in heaven?
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by telerionExcept that, in the usual form of the Cosmological (?) argument, God is the First Cause - that Cause which is, itself, uncaused.
What a remarkable thought! Yes, I think that basically takes care of things.
I suggest we put the old cosmological argument to rest.
Everything that exists has a cause.
The universe exists.
The universe has a cause.
That cause is God.
God exists.
God has a cause.
That cause is a higher God.
Brilliant.
Since, by definition, the first Cause is uncaused, it makes no sense to ask, "Who caused the First Cause?" That's really the same as asking "Which natural number is smaller than 1?" or "How many sides does a circle have?"
04 Oct 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerwell okay, but if this particular dog had killed my own baby, i wouldn't be pleased to see the mutt in heaven, even if it was singing me a lullaby and making me an mango smoothie.
[b]even an attack dog that kills babies, for example?
Yes.
i'd be very angry if i got to heaven and found one of those waiting for me!
What makes you think such an animal would still be vicious in heaven?[/b]