@kingdavid403 saidThere is nothing in scripture to support that.
100% correct. However, people can still be saved by Jesus even if they do not know Him; correct?
@divegeester saidNo, you're lying and posting what you want others to think my position is, so you can feel like you've made me a fool and that you have won this debate.
I’m going by what you’ve previously posted which are your assumptions of what that text means.
@divegeester saidNothing except God is a perfect judge, all Loving, merciful, willing to always forgive.
There is nothing in scripture to support that.
There's also nothing in scripture that does not support my position.
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidWhat you posted about the scripture quoting Jesus is your assumption. You are making assumptions of what it means. Therefore I said “so, you assume...”
No, you're lying and posting what you want others to think my position is, so you can feel like you've made me a fool and that you have won this debate.
It’s not an insult.
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidCorrect there is nothing in scripture which supports your supposition. If there is then please post it.
Nothing except God is a perfect judge, all Loving, merciful, willing to always forgive.
There's also nothing in scripture that does not support my position.
@divegeester saidAnd, the same could be exactly said for you also.
What you posted about the scripture quoting Jesus is your assumption. You are making assumptions of what it means. Therefore I said “so, you assume...”
It’s not an insult.
@divegeester saidSo tell us of the Old Testament Great Prophets and others? Enoch and Elijah never even saw death. Please share using scriptures on how these got salvation hundreds and thousands of years before Christ.
Correct there is nothing in scripture which supports your supposition. If there is then please post it.
Also, there were many solitary tribes, and people, who kept the message of God, and Christ, alive even without ever reading a Bible; or the translations that we have today anyway. Some of this was done by their people writing their versions of the Gospel. Such as, the gospel of Thomas, Peter, Mary, etc. Even tho their Gospels were far from perfect, they did convey the message of Christ and what He has done for us.
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidReally?
And, the same could be exactly said for you also.
Ok please be specific?
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidThese men and there contemporaries were under the old covenant.
So tell us of the Old Testament Great Prophets and others? Enoch and Elijah never even saw death. Please share using scriptures on how these got salvation hundreds and thousands of years before Christ.
Will you consider it rude if I ask you if you understand the difference between the old and new covenants?
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidSo you don’t have an biblical scripture to support your assertion?
Also, there were many solitary tribes, and people, who kept the message of God, and Christ, alive even without ever reading a Bible; or the translations that we have today anyway. Some of this was done by their people writing their versions of the Gospel. Such as, the gospel of Thomas, Peter, Mary, etc. Even tho their Gospels were far from perfect, they did convey the message of Christ and what He has done for us.
@divegeester said"So tell us of the Old Testament Great Prophets and others? Enoch and Elijah never even saw death. Please share using scriptures on how these got salvation hundreds and thousands of years before Christ."
So you don’t have an biblical scripture to support your assertion?
I'll bump this question for you this one last time. We will not have conversations until you have answered this question. I've answered all yours; and, you have not answered one of mine yet.
My question answers yours (in my current opinion anyway).
@kingdavid403 saidI have answered it, they were under the old covenant, law.
"So tell us of the Old Testament Great Prophets and others? Enoch and Elijah never even saw death. Please share using scriptures on how these got salvation hundreds and thousands of years before Christ."
I'll bump this question for you this one last time. We will not have conversations until you have answered this question. I've answered all yours; and, you have not answered one of mine yet.
My question answers yours (in my current opinion anyway).
Did you not see my post above?
Either way, there are no scriptures to support this notion you have floated that a person can be saved without believing in Jesus Christ. But there a lots of scriptures saying that a person does have to believe in Jesus Christ.
I’ve given you two rock solid ones.
Do you have any to support your position?
@divegeester saidThese men and there contemporaries were under the old covenant.
These men and there contemporaries were under the old covenant.
Will you consider it rude if I ask you if you understand the difference between the old and new covenants?
Did any of them live up to the Old Covenant?
Will you consider it rude if I ask you if you understand the difference between the old and new covenants?
Yes.
11 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidI don’t know where you are going with this, nowhere it seems.
These men and there contemporaries were under the old covenant.['b]
Did any of them live up to the Old Covenant?
[b]Will you consider it rude if I ask you if you understand the difference between the old and new covenants?
Yes.
Using the old covenant to argue against the new covenant is bizarre. Why are you doing it?
@KingDavid403
There are no scriptures to support this notion you have floated that a person can be saved without believing in Jesus Christ. But there a lots of scriptures saying that a person does have to believe in Jesus Christ.
I’ve given you two rock solid ones.
Do you have any to support your position?