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The only poor argument is that God went to the trouble of creating two billion uninhabited galaxies just to show (somebody) how unique Earth is.
Edit: A reply to the post you deleted.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGood Point. How many people can truly understand how big one galaxy is? Far less for 2,000,000,000 of them and all uninhabited except one, and in a tiny little solar system in one corner to boot.
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The only poor argument is that God went to the trouble of creating two billion uninhabited galaxies just to show (somebody) how unique Earth is.
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The only poor argument is that God went to the trouble of creating two billion uninhabited galaxies just to show (somebody) how unique Earth is.
Edit: A reply to the post you deleted.
I wouldn't see that as anything more than you saying that you would do things differently if you were the Supreme Being.
Many sperm cells are released. Only ONE fertilizes the egg.
About 250 million sperm cells released during sex. Only one is needed to do the job of fertilizing the egg.
God has His ways for His reasons. Next time you're the Uncreated Eternal Creator of the universe, you can do it your way.
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Lesson 2:
If an ant had the mental capability to look up and ponder at a skyscraper, what would it make of it? How would it begin to explain something so far beyond its understanding?
Perhaps, in a bid to overcome any feelings of insignificance, and simultaneously make sense of the unfathomable, it might imagine itself a God who not only fashioned the skyscraper but valued the ant above all else. Now the ant no longer felt overwhelmed, afraid and insignificant. The ant was special, and he knew how the skyscraper had come into existence.
In reality of course, the ant will never understand the skyscraper and is no wiser than the bee, busily collecting its pollen.
@sonship saidThe God in which you believe lacks ambition . I think people believe in the kind of God that suits their personality.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThe only poor argument is that God went to the trouble of creating two billion uninhabited galaxies just to show (somebody) how unique Earth is.
Edit: A reply to the post you deleted.
I wouldn't see that as anything more than you saying that you would do things differently if you were the Supreme Being.
Many sperm cells are re ...[text shortened]... reasons. Next time you're the Uncreated Eternal Creator of the universe, you can do it your way.
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I transferred out of the class Prof. I dropped it.
Nothing personal.
I just saw another that attracted me more.
Why Are 250 Million Sperm Cells Released During Sex?
https://www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html
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@sonship saidI like that you come to this forum secretly eager to learn from an atheist.
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I transferred out of the class Prof. I dropped it.
Nothing personal.
I just saw another that attracted me more.
Why Are 250 Million Sperm Cells Released During Sex?
https://www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html
And in answer to your question, why is your God so wasteful? Why create 250 million sperm if only one will do the job? Why create 2 billion uninhabited galaxies and only put life on one planet?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI often wonder how it is that for a group of people supposedly favored by God (Jesus called those who follow him his sheep, and that no one can snatch them away from him), how can they be SO naive and apparently proud of it. I'm not singling out Sonship, either, but very nearly EVERY person I know who claims to be Christian.
This line of argument was really intended for Sonship who would place these 'other sheep' on Earth, not on other planets.
This raises a problem for Sonship should other sentient life be discovered on another planet, and only the followers of Jesus here on Earth being saved. (Hardly the actions of a just God).
Science and religion don't actually disagree, yet every Christian I know claims that life only exists on Earth, that science is wrong and YECs argue that evolution is impossible. I don't think God meant for us to be so closed-minded and so stupefyingly naive.
@rajk999 saidTell me this: how long ago did God say "Let there be light"?
The God in which you believe lacks ambition . I think people believe in the kind of God that suits their personality.
For those who say "6,000 years ago", the God in which they believe is the God who lacks ambition.
@suzianne saidClearly you mistake me for sonship. A day for God in this Milky Galaxy is quite probably 250,000,000 years. God sets the process in motion and then goes on to other galaxies which are being formed and worlds which are in the process of being created. Six days of creation would therefore be 1.5 billion years. Through this process the dinosaurs [and other lifeforms as well] were created and killed off.
Tell me this: how long ago did God say "Let there be light"?
For those who say "6,000 years ago", the God in which they believe is the God who lacks ambition.
This is why God has appointed times and seasons for everything. Satan will be destroyed at a predetermined time. Christ will return at a predetermined time. The planet Earth will be destroyed at a predetermined time. When these things are set in motion God will not change or reverse it. The Milky Way Galaxy will implode and get sucked in by a black hole at a predetermined time.
Edit : For a human a day is the time it takes for the earth to revolve on its azis. A day for God in the Milky Way is the time the galaxy takes to revolve on its own axis. Scientists estimate that to be over 200 M yrs
@ghost-of-a-duke saidUnfortunately people like me get chased out of town, In centuries past I would have been stoned to death for being a heretic. Imagine all the smart forward thinking people killed by Christians. Its sad.
The last few posts in this thread have restored my faith in the possible growth of Christian thinking.
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For the record, of for any who might "mistake" Rajk999 for me, I never argued here in over ten years for a strictly 6,000 year old only universe.
Some may recall my debates years back with RJHinds about a "Gap" and an unknown interval making "the beginning" in Genesis 1:1 an unknowable date.
Big Time should not discourage any Christian.
Neither should Big Space discourage any Christian.
God has put eternity in man's heart. And in such a way that without His revelation we could hardly know all that He has done throughout all past ages.
"He has made everything beautiful in its own time; and also He has put eternity in their heart, yet so that man does not find out what God has done from the beginning to the end." (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
The outward environment matches something spiritual that God has put into the heart of His creature - a sense of the endless, the eternal, the limitlessness of existence.
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The endless cosmos the we gaze up at or peer at with the telescope is the comfortable spiritual realm in which we live. God knew that as ages increased and KNOWLEDGED increased we would not be able to touch the end, the boundary or our environment.
He never forbade man to seek to know more and more about his world.
What we are able to discover is only the outskirts of God's ways informing us of His eternal power and unlimited governorship. He created and owns all that has been created and exists.
Indeed, these are but the fringes [or outskirts] of His ways; And how small a whisper do we hear of Him! But as for the thundering of His mightiness, who can comprehend it?" (Job. 26:14)
Discover what we may. We just have to get use to the fact that long beforehand God purposely set up creation to blow our minds. He long ago determined to keep us astounded, keep us humbled, keep us in awe.
@sonship saidYou being deliberately vague. Was Witness Lee a creationist of some kind?
For the record, of for any who might "mistake" Rajk999 for me, I never argued here in over ten years for a strictly 6,000 year old only universe.
Some may recall my debates years back with RJHinds about a "Gap" and an unknown interval making "the beginning" in Genesis 1:1 an unknowable date.
Big Time should not discourage any Christian.
Neither sho ...[text shortened]... nto the heart of His creature - a sense of the endless, the eternal, the limitlessness of existence.
Is your point that the universe is not 6000 yrs old, but, the earth is 6000 years old?