God is....

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
God is an antinomy. Coincidentia oppositorum.

Wut? Do you want me to google that? 🙂

Originally posted by sonship

Thanks for that. I am used to obnoxious, a teacher of mathematics gets used to it after a while.

And I confess to being, around here, an evangelist with an attitude.
I use to go by "jaywill." Then I took a extended vacation from the Forum. I actually terminated my membership to Chessatwork with a thankyou note to the webmasters for all ...[text shortened]... u "go for it?" - actively, non passively, pursuing with deliberateness ?

Ahhh Jaywill!!!

How many forum names have you used? 3? more?

Originally posted by Kepler
If string theory is correct (big if since it is still untestable) then there are 11 dimensions out there for gos, demi gods, angels, demons, devils and all manner of supernatural oddness to play in.

the 12th one is just forming 😉


(maybe to make more room in 'heaven' ? 🙂 )

Originally posted by OdBod
The point I am making is that god already knows the outcome !!!!!.

My point is that in creation, can you trust God? As it goes now He is letting us
play out our lives as we see fit. He did the samething with Satan and his
followers, except with the human race death was a part of a buffer for us. The
devil and his followers once they went against God that was it, their faith is
sealed and all the evil that is in them is going to be on full display too. I'd point
out that Hell was made for them not us, but after what we did we will be
sharing that place. We will see it all and the judgments will be righteous.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
My point is that in creation, can you trust God? As it goes now He is letting us
play out our lives as we see fit. He did the samething with Satan and his
followers, except with the human race death was a part of a buffer for us. The
devil and his followers once they went against God that was it, their faith is
sealed and all the evil that is in them is ...[text shortened]... we will be
sharing that place. We will see it all and the judgments will be righteous.
Kelly

Do you really seeing an all loving 'God' creating a place like hell?
It just doesn't gel for me, and without logic spirituality is the joke that atheists make it out to be.
Of course my version of "God" is totally different from yours, but all the same, people are largely ignorant which is the main cause of evil in my book. And why should people suffer for eternity for being ignorant?
Purgatory? Sure... and that could seem like an eternity, but I just dont think "God" would make anyone suffer for ever. Not even Hitler and the like.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Do you really seeing an all loving 'God' creating a place like hell?
It just doesn't gel for me, and without logic spirituality is the joke that atheists make it out to be.
Of course my version of "God" is totally different from yours, but all the same, people are largely ignorant which is the main cause of evil in my book. And why should people suff ...[text shortened]... I just dont think "God" would make anyone suffer for ever. Not even Hitler and the like.

A couple of things here, people do evil more times than not they know what
they are doing! Being ignorant does not excuse a crime, and the punishment
is as bad as the reward or goal is good. God's grace and mercy cleans us of all
our sins, we are free from the guilt and shame we have over the things we did
in deed do. Those things are charged to Jesus due to His mercy through God's
grace and our sins are thrown as far as the east is from the west. Just as good
as God's good grace will be His wrath will not be pleasant by any measure, it
will be without any mercy, punishment will be given to those that want it since
they reject the only way to salvation, or think it unimportant enough to
examine and make a part of their lives, because salvationis for who so ever will.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
A couple of things here, people do evil more times than not they know what
they are doing! Being ignorant does not excuse a crime, and the punishment
is as bad as the reward or goal is good. God's grace and mercy cleans us of all
our sins, we are free from the guilt and shame we have over the things we did
in deed do. Those things are charged to Jesus d ...[text shortened]... to
examine and make a part of their lives, because salvationis for who so ever will.
Kelly

If a friend came to you and said,

'Kelly my partner has told me I must love them otherwise they are going to kill me'

Would you think that an acceptable foundation for a relationship?

Originally posted by KellyJay
A couple of things here, people do evil more times than not they know what
they are doing! Being ignorant does not excuse a crime, and the punishment
is as bad as the reward or goal is good. God's grace and mercy cleans us of all
our sins, we are free from the guilt and shame we have over the things we did
in deed do. Those things are charged to Jesus d to
examine and make a part of their lives, because salvationis for who so ever will.
Kelly

Well I'm sure you know by now that I dont agree that there is only one way to salvation. (I dont even like that word).

In some new age mythologies it is said that we,(the people and the planet), are moving out of the "Law of Karma" and moving into the "Law of Grace" .
So to me that means that the slate will be wiped clean for all those that bother to try to understand what their role in life means,(other than his/her worldly duties/pleasures).

so being ignorant doesn't excuse a crime, agreed, but it seems we all come into this world ignorant so it goes without saying that we will "sin" - which is what a lot of christians seem to prey on - the misunderstood feelings that , via the force of the negative and backward thinking, are taught to people to be interpreted as guilt, instead a natural part of maturing into a full grown person.

"God" hasn't cleansed me of anything. It is only I that have that power over myself.
You do mention God's grace though,(which is why I threw in that initial paragraph), but then you go on to tell us how ignorant or not , we are all going to get it if we dont subscribe to.... which denomination are you again?
I mean after all, I believe in Jesus, I try to follow some of his examples and can see the wisdom in his words. But my interpretation of the bible is vastly different from most Christians, which is why I dont call myself Christian. But why not? What makes me different from any other Christian-other than that I dont block out all other religions/spiritualities and see the neccesity for ALL of them, even Christianity.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
If a friend came to you and said,

'Kelly my partner has told me I must love them otherwise they are going to kill me'

Would you think that an acceptable foundation for a relationship?

Fear is not working out as well as it used to , to keep the masses in line.

When someone openly tells me to fear their god, I automatically "turn off" and go through the motions of sliding out of there...

(Funnily enough the same people will tell you that "God is Love" the next day. Hmmmm )

Originally posted by KellyJay
My point is that in creation, can you trust God? As it goes now He is letting us
play out our lives as we see fit. He did the samething with Satan and his
followers, except with the human race death was a part of a buffer for us. The
devil and his followers once they went against God that was it, their faith is
sealed and all the evil that is in them is ...[text shortened]... we will be
sharing that place. We will see it all and the judgments will be righteous.
Kelly

I still think you are missing the point. If your god is omnipotent , all knowing etc , he knows exactly what will happen and when, our free will is an illusion . Your god also created evil. If he did not know these consequences would arise from his actions he must have limits, I have yet to see a religious person admit to that!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
If a friend came to you and said,

'Kelly my partner has told me I must love them otherwise they are going to kill me'

Would you think that an acceptable foundation for a relationship?

I'd say if you don't want anything to do with that friend leave them.
You ever have a child just up say to a parent that has done all that should be
done and nothing evil to them saying I just don't care about you, hate you,
and want nothing to do with you? That is a better example than a friend, since
God formed us in our mother's womb, gave us the air we breath along with all
other things for a good life. Its God's Kingdom we either reject or enter into,
you can by all means be ungrateful and uncaring towards your parents, but
that is a better example, friends you can take or leave at will.
Kelly

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Well I'm sure you know by now that I dont agree that there is only one way to salvation. (I dont even like that word).

In some new age mythologies it is said that we,(the people and the planet), are moving out of the "Law of Karma" and moving into the "Law of Grace" .
So to me that means that the slate will be wiped clean for all those that bother t ...[text shortened]... r religions/spiritualities and see the neccesity for ALL of them, even Christianity.

Well why debate me over what God said He is going to do if you reject the
reality of God and God's judgment of His creation out right? If you believe you
can stand alone and need nothing that is up to you, it will be tested on
judgment day, if you are right you are good, if you are wrong, its on you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'd say if you don't want anything to do with that friend leave them.
You ever have a child just up say to a parent that has done all that should be
done and nothing evil to them saying I just don't care about you, hate you,
and want nothing to do with you? That is a better example than a friend, since
God formed us in our mother's womb, gave us the air ...[text shortened]... your parents, but
that is a better example, friends you can take or leave at will.
Kelly

So is that a yes or no to my question?

Originally posted by OdBod
I still think you are missing the point. If your god is omnipotent , all knowing etc , he knows exactly what will happen and when, our free will is an illusion . Your god also created evil. If he did not know these consequences would arise from his actions he must have limits, I have yet to see a religious person admit to that!

I completely agree God created all things good and evil, as soon as you create
a good path leaving it is evil. As I pointed out to you God could have just said
this is good your okay, that is bad your condemned and that was that, but what
God did do was let everything show itself for what it is and why! Loving your
kids becomes a very real thing when parents do that, turning your life into a
means to get drug money over taking care of your kids becomes bad, and we
see the result of both. Right, wrong, good and evil are all on full display here,
and God doing it the way He is now puts all of this on display and those that
come to His Kingdom accepting God's grace over the sinfulness in this life are
doing so under their free will. In this life now it is by faith, we do not see God
standing in the sky like a police officer monitoring traffic so we act out of fear
not the reality of love. We are given all reasons to leave God, to get more
money we can steal or lie, to get a thrill we can sleep around, we can get over
and avoid the truth...except, because of God is calling us into His Kingdom we
don't love our lives over Him and reject sin as best we can.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So is that a yes or no to my question?

Did you read the first line or no?
Kelly