23 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneEphesians 2: 8...
While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).
http://www.godvine.com/bible/Ephesians/2-8
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23 Feb 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd yet:
Ephesians 2: 8...
http://www.godvine.com/bible/Ephesians/2-8
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While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).
Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?
John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
23 Feb 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadAll you say here might be true if one considered this earthly realm somehow superior to Heaven.
Even God cannot undo the past. The greatest lie you Christians preach is that God can right a wrong. It is not possible. A wrong can never be righted, suffering can never be undone. Punishment does not make everything balance.
The idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others is at the heart of Christianity and is based on the same flawed logic. ...[text shortened]... That makes a compassionate God capable of intervening in such events incompatible with reality.
23 Feb 13
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOnea) "Jesus taught that one is to become righteous..."(ThinkofOne, previous page post)
And yet:While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).
Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?
John eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and b) I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
c) "become" by their own human effort or b) receive the Grace Gift of "Eternal Life"?
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23 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyTry to keep it all in context GB:
a) "Jesus taught that [b]one is to become righteous..."(ThinkofOne, previous page post)
John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and b) I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
c) "become" by their own human effort or b) receive the Grace Gift of "Eternal Life"?
.[/b]
Jesus taught that one is to become righteous, i.e. the embodiment of truth, love, compassion, justice, etc. Jesus taught that righteousness, where one cannot continue to sin, is required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation".
While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).
Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe Issue is (and always has been) the Risen Christ,
Try to keep it all in context GB:Jesus taught that one is to become righteous, i.e. the embodiment of truth, love, compassion, justice, etc. Jesus taught that righteousness, where one cannot continue to sin, is required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation".
While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which ...[text shortened]... TW spoke).
Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?
who is our only Hope of Salvation and Eternal Life,
as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.
24 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyExactly. Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?
The Issue is (and always has been) the Risen Christ,
who is our only Hope of Salvation and Eternal Life,
as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.
Luke 6
46 “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 “Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49 “But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne... as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.
Exactly. Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?
Luke 6
46 “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 “Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 he is like a man b ...[text shortened]... d the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhich is the point you keep trying to avoid.
... as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.
Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyCan't say as I'm all that surprised. From what I've seen, you'd be a rare Christian indeed if you were willing to walk in the light of truth.
Thank you.
John 12:35-36
So Jesus said to them, “For a little while longer the Light is among you. Walk while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes. 36 “While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of Light.”
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadAccording to the Holy Bible, God can erase our memories and give us new memories. How about that for righting a wrong? 😏
What I said is true regardless of whether or not one considers the earthly realm somehow superior to heaven.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
24 Feb 13
Originally posted by KellyJayIf your god would forgive the likes of Hitler or Stalin then your religion is totally screwed up.😠
We the devil believes in God, it isn't going to get him any mercy. If Jesus wasn't
Hitler's Lord and Savior he died in his sins and will pay for every deed and idle
word he spoke.
Kelly