20 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn Indonesia, it's a Christian symbol of fertility. Christians here are not "pagans". The crucifix is a Christian symbol here too.
its a pagan symbol of fertility! Id get to church as soon as I could if I were you and get them to fess up! who knows what might happen if another one just managed to fall from the sky and these poor men are left holding it!
20 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFeggs/crosses are pagan symbols, it doesn't matter where you live. Why not simply embrace the paganism Effhim, you have nothing to lose either way.
In Indonesia, it's a Christian symbol of fertility. Christians here are not "pagans". The crucifix is a Christian symbol here too.
20 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFChrist said we are to worship in spirit and in truth. I have to say that there are some alleged "Christian" practices that I would not join in. Most obvious examples are in the Catholic Church. If the local Christians you are referring to were entering into what I considered to be paganistic ritual I would not join in. You will have to accept that for me this would be a matter of conscience and not judgement stemming from assumed superiority.
It's a Christian symbol of fertility in Indonesia. And a crucifix here is a Christian symbol representing the cross on which Jesus died. There is no "pagan element" here. If there is where you live, then all well and good. I don't live in Britain any more. If you think that Christians in Indonesia are not Christians, then all well and good. I will pass on the link to this discussion. They may find your perspective interesting.
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you consider it a possibility that some of those people (despite any outward appearance of ignorance of pagan artefacts) could be closer to Christ that you?
eggs/crosses are pagan symbols, it doesn't matter where you live. Why not simply embrace the paganism Effhim, you have nothing to lose either way.
20 Apr 14
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey may be "pagan symbols" in Glasgow. I don't know. I'll take your word for it. They are both Christian symbols in Indonesia. Do you really think that Christians in Indonesia are not Christians?
eggs/crosses are pagan symbols, it doesn't matter where you live. Why not simply embrace the paganism Effhim, you have nothing to lose either way.
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHinds... And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
You state that the Last Trumpet Ministries are pretty reliable. Let me show you why you can't rely on everything they say. They say the following:
[b]Some have wondered why the word "Easter" is in the the King James Bible.
It is because Acts, chapter 12, tells us that it was the evil King Herod, who was planning to celebrate Easter, and not the Chri ...[text shortened]... g a Christian pleased the Jews and was saving Peter to be killed after the Passover, not Easter.
(Acts 12:4 KJV)
And a repeat of the corrected translation I gave on page 7 from the NKJV)
Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.
(Acts 12:1-4 NKJV)
You can find many other English translations here:
http://biblehub.com/acts/12-4.htm
Both the original Greek with an English tranlation of each word can be found here:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/12-4.htm
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by divegeesterno Jesus would have nothing to do with paganism or its symbols and i notice a trend here, if i may put it that way, for you and your friend to make this personal, as is your Modus operandi so typical and so predictable.
Do you consider it a possibility that some of those people (despite any outward appearance of ignorance of pagan artefacts) could be closer to Christ that you?
20 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFwow what a magical island you must live upon that it can transform pagan elements like giant Easter eggs into christian ones! Its kind of similar to the magical effect Jesus has on translation and verb tenses and all kinds of magical things.
They may be "pagan symbols" in Glasgow. I don't know. I'll take your word for it. They are both Christian symbols in Indonesia. Do you really think that Christians in Indonesia are not Christians?
I would say they are a christian/pagan hybrid, after all, how else are we to account for these blatantly pagan elements in their lives like giant Easter eggs and crosses.
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're being rather ethnocentric, robbie. Do you really think the "paganism" you perceive around you within Glasgow's Christendom applies everywhere in the world and that, somehow, "Ashtoreth and Astarte" are worshipped in Indonesia?
wow what a magical island you must live upon that it can transform pagan elements like giant Easter eggs into christian ones!
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsGood spot! Yes I accept that the KJ (or at least some versions of it) have Passover mistranslated as Easter.
... And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after [b]Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(Acts 12:4 KJV)
And a repeat of the corrected translation I gave on page 7 from the NKJV)
Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some fr ...[text shortened]... lish tranlation of each word can be found here:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/12-4.htm[/b]
I still don't see how this supports your position that Easter and it's religious artefacts are actually supported in Christian epistemology, in fact this mistranslation only goes to support my position that they crept in post Constantine and had nothing whatsoever to do with original Christianity or importantly the account leading up to and immediately following Christ's death.
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy shouldn't it be personal?
no Jesus would have nothing to do with paganism or its symbols and i notice a trend here, if i may put it that way, for you and your friend to make this personal, as is your Modus operandi so typical and so predictable.
How often have you questioned (berated) me about my personal life and ministry?
20 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it.
I would say they are a christian/pagan hybrid, after all, how else are we to account for these blatantly pagan elements in their lives like giant Easter eggs and crosses.
Thus,one can hardly expect symbolism to be uniform around the world.
The symbolism of the crucifix here in Indonesia, for instance, is entirely Christian and not "pagan" at all.
20 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFumm see that giant eater egg that your fellows were photographed with, that was as far as i am aware, not produced in Glasgow effhim! See that Guardian article that i cited detailing the paganism in Easter, that was not a product of Glasgow. Perhaps if we had a magical island on Loch Lomond we could send our pagan effigies there to get Christianized, but then again, we have no problem acknowledging the facts which would make that unnecessary.
You're being rather ethnocentric, robbie. Do you really think the "paganism" you perceive around you within Glasgow's Christendom applies everywhere in the world and that, somehow, "Ashtoreth and Astarte" are worshipped in Indonesia?