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@josephw saidNo, it’s you trying to disingenuously distance yourself from your religion in some sort of vainglorious effort to reinvent your stance here such that you don’t have to defend it, don’t have to deny it and more importantly, you don’t have to discuss your personal support of the worst bits of it.
No. It is pure logic.
"Religious beliefs" notwithstanding.
01 Jan 22
@kellyjay saidIf you had to choose between living in one of three southeast Asian countries, a Muslim majority one (but not an Islamic state), a majority Buddhist [i.e. non- theist] country, or a majority atheist country, where most democraphic data were more or less similar in all three countries, which one would you imagine choosing?
In general, shouldn't it take in all opinions, but I'll step out if you are against how I stepped in.
01 Jan 22
@kellyjay saidTo my way of thinking, you'd grabbed the wrong end of this thread's stick and were perhaps all set to simply resume making assertions about your own religion which you can and are doing elsewhere. Sorry if I seemed abrupt.
In general, shouldn't it take in all opinions, but I'll step out if you are against how I stepped in.
01 Jan 22
@fmf saidI think that like most human institutions, religion can be a double-edged sword, although I feel that in general, religions are mostly beneficial and that human society would not benefit by their passing.
"Religion has served its purpose of uniting people, setting up structures in society, developing trust and cooperation."
~ Syed Saleem Ali
"What we need now are morality and spirituality. Morality is about reducing suffering in the world. And spirituality is about questioning and looking for answers. Religions provide us just with answers and no scope of questions.”
~ Y ...[text shortened]... uniting people, supporting structures in society, and developing trust and cooperation.
Thoughts?
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01 Jan 22
@fmf saidI think we’ve seen what happens when atheists are in charge of countries. They wind up killing millions of their own countrymen.
"Religion has served its purpose of uniting people, setting up structures in society, developing trust and cooperation."
~ Syed Saleem Ali
"What we need now are morality and spirituality. Morality is about reducing suffering in the world. And spirituality is about questioning and looking for answers. Religions provide us just with answers and no scope of questions.”
~ Y ...[text shortened]... uniting people, supporting structures in society, and developing trust and cooperation.
Thoughts?
In fact, in the 20th century alone, atheists running communist governments are estimated to have murdered 250 million people.
That’s what happens when atheists have absolute power and think they have no accountability and that human beings are animals. Murder becomes an acceptable response to dissent.
01 Jan 22
@josephw saidThis is the nonsense the churches preach and fool lazy people who just want to do nothing. When Jesus said it is finished he meant his work is finished and this is clearly stated in other parts of the gospels. Jesus did not mean your work is finished. If you read beyond that sentence you would see that you have work to do, otherwise there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God. Your entire doctrine of doing nothing, or thinking mans efforts can accomplish nothing or is worthless, runs contrary to all the teachings of the bible. Your doctrine results in dead faith and it is only a living faith that can lead to eternal life.
That's right. My "religion" is Christianity.
Remember when Jesus said, while on the cross, after the three hours of darkness?
Jesus said "it is finished".
My "religion" is based on that. I did nothing.
My "relationship" with the living God is based on what Jesus did on the cross to secure my eternal destination without any help from me.
"Religion" is the obs ...[text shortened]... said "it is finished".
That's the thing you don't get in spite of everything you think you know.
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01 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidSome Christians not only want God to wipe away their sins but also to do their praying for them. Anything to resolve themselves of any responsibility or effort.
This is the nonsense the churches preach and fool lazy people who just want to do nothing. When Jesus said it is finished he meant his work is finished and this is clearly stated in other parts of the gospels. Jesus did not mean your work is finished. If you read beyond that sentence you would see that you have work to do, otherwise there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of ...[text shortened]... e. Your doctrine results in dead faith and it is only a living faith that can lead to eternal life.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThey move further and further away from Christ with every passing decade
Some Christians not only want God to wipe away their sins but also to do their praying for them. Anything to resolve themselves of any responsibility or effort.
01 Jan 22
@avalanchethecat saidFrom the teachings of Christ one can deduce that the best thing for mankind is to remove religion and each and every individual be their brothers keeper, ie live charitable lifestyle. You do not need organised religion to do that.
I think that like most human institutions, religion can be a double-edged sword, although I feel that in general, religions are mostly beneficial and that human society would not benefit by their passing.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod can and does do both.
Some Christians not only want God to wipe away their sins but also to do their praying for them. Anything to resolve themselves of any responsibility or effort.
But the Apostle Paul (and I as well) believe in praying in the Spirit *and* praying with understanding,
Have you ever prayed?
And you’re falling into the same trap as rajk999 - you think no Christian will do good works or do their best to obey the commandments without the threat of hell hanging over their heads. You can’t comprehend someone doing the aforementioned from love and not fear.