Originally posted by ColettiIf you knew ANYTHING about the interpretation of documents, you would know that there is no need to resort to extrinsic evidence when the words are clear. If you knew ANYTHING about the interpretation of documents, you would know that their is no need to search other portions of the document IF the portion is clear by the normal, accepted meaning of words. You would have to show that the passage is unclear and that my "interpretation" doesn't accord with the plain meaning and import of the words. You have failed miserably to do so. Another standard interpretative rule is that all parts of a document are considered to mean something; your sophist interpretation woul make the passage mean nothing. By standard rules of interpretation the passage means what it says i.e.
Are you ready to being in extra-scriptural evidence to support your interpretation now?? You haven't even support started to support your weak interpretation with scripture. Put your red herring back in your bag of fallacy tricks.
You shouldn't call me Good BECAUSE
Only God is Good SINCE
I am not to be called Good, THEREFORE
I am not God.
Got it, sophist?
Originally posted by no1marauderSo what do you believe? You're unrelenting in unleashing withering attacks on the beliefs of others, but, I don't recall you ever revealing your own thoughts. I'm curious, what do you believe in. Surely there is something that motivates you, a core system of beliefs that make life meanigful.
Coletti: Jesus never came out and declare his deity. If he had, the Pharisees could have legally stoned him on the spot. But there were many instances were one could easily interpret what he said as a declaration of his deity - which was what pissed off the Pharisees until they couldn't stand it and finally had him crucified. But they had to come up wit ...[text shortened]... death without his consent so he had to resort to deception). So, which is it, Mr. Logic? A or B?
If I am a good chess player and someone that doesn't know me comes up to me and says "what should I do to gain eternal life, good chessplayer?" I would probgably say "how did you know I was a good chess player?" But since Jesus knew the guy didn't know he was God he asked him instead "why do you call me good?" Because the guy didn't know he was God. He wanted to tell that guy 1. Only God is good 2. Don't go around calling people good 3. No one can earn their salvation as well as a host of other ideas. Since you guys are so interested in this Bible passage I recommend you search the internet for commentaries. I'll post your responce for you No1, just to save you the effort:
No1marauder: LMFAO! (disess all the Christians and posts some non-sense)
For God's sake read, read, READ:
Luke, chapter 18
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"18": And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
"19": And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
"20": Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
"21": And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
"22": Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
"23": And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
"24": And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
"25": For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
"26": And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
"27": And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
"28": Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.
"29": And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
"30": Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
"31": Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
"32": For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
"33": And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
"34": And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
"35": And it came to pass, that as he was come nigh unto Jericho, a certain blind man sat by the way side begging:
"36": And hearing the multitude pass by, he asked what it meant.
"37": And they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth passeth by.
"38": And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me.
"39": And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me.
"40": And Jesus stood, and commanded him to be brought unto him: and when he was come near, he asked him,
"41": Saying, What wilt thou that I shall do unto thee? And he said, Lord, that I may receive my sight.
"42": And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
"43": And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God.
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/kjv2www?specfile=/texts/english/religion/kjv/kjv-pub.o2w&act=text&offset=4567117&textreg=0&query=Why+callest+thou+me+good
Originally posted by Hand of HecateI have a lot of beliefs; I believe the New York Yankees are the best team this year and the Giants should have player Kurt Warner at Quarterback longer last season. Is that what you're looking for? If not, could you be a little more specific? I've spelled out my political philosophy many times in Debates and my position on the existence of God many times here. What else do you want?
So what do you believe? You're unrelenting in unleashing withering attacks on the beliefs of others, but, I don't recall you ever revealing your own thoughts. I'm curious, what do you believe in. Surely there is something that motivates you, a core system of beliefs that make life meanigful.
Originally posted by no1marauder
If you knew ANYTHING about the interpretation of documents, you would know that there is no need to resort to extrinsic evidence when the words are clear. If you knew ANYTHING about the interpretation of documents, you would know that their is no need to search other portions of the document IF the portion is clear by the normal, accepted meaning ...[text shortened]... e called Good, THEREFORE
I am not God.
Got it, sophist?
Never read so much BS in my life.
Originally posted by no1marauder* Only God is good
If you knew ANYTHING about the interpretation of documents, you would know that there is no need to resort to extrinsic evidence when the words are clear.... By standard rules of interpretation the passage means what it says i.e ...[text shortened]... THEREFORE
I am not God.
Got it, sophist?
* I am good
* therefore I am God.
Got it moron?
The assumption that Christ denies being good not only a lame interpretation based on your vaporous reasoning, it is absurd by any standard.
If you knew anything about logic you would know that the first step is translating the non-formal sentences into formal logical declarations.
YOU, my simply minded sophist, keep doing that without giving any good reasoning - only ignorant assertions.
Given the facts - one declarative sentence: "No one is good except God alone" and the one question: "Why do you call me good?" - the only thing that is unquestionable is the declaration: "God is good". and "No one else is good."
The light of the declaration, the question may indicate Jesus is good, or Jesus is not good. By normal accepted logic - a question is neither a denial or a confirmation. (This most morons know but some clearly do not.) To make a reasonable interpretation, other text should be referred to.
Since there are no scriptures that support the notion that Christ is not good (an absurd idea even without further reference), and many that clearly state that Jesus is good (indeed he is without sin) - then the better interpretation of the question is "Jesus is good". And the only reasonable conclusion is that Jesus is inferring that he is God.
Originally posted by no1marauderYes I know and, believe it or not, my question isn't meant as an attack, but a serious inquiry. Your very clear as to you political views and your feelings about God.
I have a lot of beliefs; I believe the New York Yankees are the best team this year and the Giants should have player Kurt Warner at Quarterback longer last season. Is that what you're looking for? If not, could you be a little more specific? I've spelled out my political philosophy many times in Debates and my position on the existence of God many times here. What else do you want?
Perhaps theres no clear way to ask this. Personally I am looking for a reason for existance, some spiritual/scientific explanation of our origins, purpose to life, and ultimate destination. Otherwise, nothing really matters, there are no lasting consequences, and anything goes. There is freedom in having no spiritual connection, but, somehow life is unfulfilling without one. Basically life seems like a big waste of time. A human life a blink of an eye.
Either you've got it all figured out or it doesn't matter to you. To me it seems profoundly unsatisfying not to know.
Originally posted by ColettiYou're a very stupid person. Someone saying don't call me good only God is good means they are good and God???????? LMFAO!!!
* Only God is good
* I am good
* therefore I am God.
Got it moron?
The assumption that Christ denies being good not only a lame interpretation based on your vaporous reasoning, it is absurd by any standard.
If you knew anything about logic you would know that the first step is translating the non-formal sentences into formal logical declarations ...[text shortened]... "Jesus is good". And the only reasonable conclusion is that Jesus is inferring that he is God.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateLife is a journey not a destination, son. I'm content to live it and to try to understand what I can with what I have. Anything more is self-deception and/or hubris.
Yes I know and, believe it or not, my question isn't meant as an attack, but a serious inquiry. Your very clear as to you political views and your feelings about God.
Perhaps theres no clear way to ask this. Personally I am looking for a reason for existance, some spiritual/scientific explanation of our origins, purpose to life, and ultimate des ...[text shortened]... figured out or it doesn't matter to you. To me it seems profoundly unsatisfying not to know.
Originally posted by no1marauderAlrighty then... good thing you're a lawyer and not a teacher. You input has set me on the path of righteousness.
Life is a journey not a destination, son. I'm content to live it and to try to understand what I can with what I have. Anything more is self-deception and/or hubris.