Originally posted by bobbob1056th1. That's probably true. It's difficult to type while going around, so he is probably sitting around.
1. He is not "going around"
2. He is not yelling
3. If he was it would be more of a service than a rude act.
2. Literally speaking, I can't tell whether he is yelling or not. I am too far away to hear it anyway. But using the CATS LOCK is usually considered yelling in a forum. Of course I wouldn't expect you to understand something in a non-literal way.
3. I tend to agree. He really does people a service by presenting Christian fundamentalism in such a way that they will stay far away from it.
So it seems that we mostly agree. Or perhaps not. 😉
Originally posted by lucifershammerI am reminded what a sophist you can be; Jesus' words to the people obviously communicated the idea that he did not think she should be stoned. The plain meaning of Jesus' words say he shouldn't be called good as only God is good, ergo he ain't God. I suggest you're left with only two alternatives: A) Jesus says he ain't God in this passage; or B) The passage is in error in some way. Our "inerrant" friends won't grant the possibility of B, yet can't accept A, so they run to the Secret Decoder Ring Defense i.e. that only "Christians" (as they define them) can REALLY understand scripture. If that's all they got, I have no idea why they're wasting their valuable time preaching to those of us who can't understand plainly written text because it has hidden meanings only available to the Elect. Why others who believe in predestination would preach or pray or do anything, I have no clue, either.
It is reasonable to infer that Jesus did not want the young man to think He was God. Either:
a. Jesus did not think he was God and did not want the young man to have a misperception
or
b. Jesus did think he was God but did not want the young man to think it (for whatever reason).
I am reminded of the incident of the adultress. In that case, Jesus does not actually say that the woman should not be stoned.
-It would be nice if we would establish first what the story of the Rich Young Ruler is all about.
- It would be nice to investigate within the context of the story what relationship there is at the beginning of the story between the Rich Young Ruler and Jesus and the relationship between the two at the end of the story.
-It would be nice to investigate why Jesus proposed to change the relationship between the RYR and his worldly goods.
-Does the RYR know who Jesus really is when he approaches Him ?
-Would that maybe determine the reaction Jesus gives the RYR ?
-Does he kwow who He is when he leaves Him at the end of the story ?
-Does Jesus invite the RYR to get to know him ? How does He do that ?
Originally posted by lucifershammerIf a then Jesus didn't know he was god but the Trinity states he was therefore he was confused and not omnipotent etc etc etc
It is reasonable to infer that Jesus did not want the young man to think He was God. Either:
a. Jesus did not think he was God and did not want the young man to have a misperception
or
b. Jesus did think he was God but did no ...[text shortened]... , Jesus does not actually say that the woman should not be stoned.
If b, he lied.
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"The plain meaning of Jesus' words say he shouldn't be called good as only God is good, ergo he ain't God. I suggest you're left with only two alternatives: A) Jesus says he ain't God in this passage; or B) The passage is in error in some way."
Lo and behold dear debators a true and genuine reasoning of a genuine and true fundamentalist literalist.
.... no sorry, he isn't even a literalist. This fundamentalist scholar goes much deeper. He bends and distorts the text till it suits his own purposes. Trying to understand what the story of the Rich Young Ruler is communicating doesn't even come to the mind of this great thinker, this grand magician beyond belief.
Originally posted by ivanhoeActually we already discussed this story in another thread (which I can't find); the fundies don't like it because it once again stresses the necessity of works i.e. sell all you have and give the money to the poor. If you want to give your interpretation of the story, why don't you do so and stop playing coy?
"The plain meaning of Jesus' words say he shouldn't be called good as only God is good, ergo he ain't God. I suggest you're left with only two alternatives: A) Jesus says he ain't God in this passage; or B) The passage is in error in some way."
Lo and behold dear debators a true and genuine reasoning of a genuine and true fundamentalist literali ...[text shortened]... doesn't even come to the mind of this great thinker, this grand magician beyond belief.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI do have a question : In Mark 16 Christ tells the disciples they will sit on the 12 thrones of isreal. Since Judas was already not one , Who was the 12th ?
"The plain meaning of Jesus' words say he shouldn't be called good as only God is good, ergo he ain't God. I suggest you're left with only two alternatives: A) Jesus says he ain't God in this passage; or B) The passage is in error ...[text shortened]... d of this great thinker, this grand magician beyond belief.
Was any on them real fat?
Originally posted by ColettiAre you saying God deceives?
Withholding information is in no way lying. I will not tell you the combination to my safe - that's no lie.
EDIT: The passge seems to have Jesus denying he is God, not "withholding"
It's far more active than saying nothing, for example.
Originally posted by ivanhoeGeez, you don't have to get bitchy ...
"The plain meaning of Jesus' words say he shouldn't be called good as only God is good, ergo he ain't God. I suggest you're left with only two alternatives: A) Jesus says he ain't God in this passage; or B) The passage is in error in some way."
Lo and behold dear debators a true and genuine reasoning of a genuine and true fundamentalist literali ...[text shortened]... doesn't even come to the mind of this great thinker, this grand magician beyond belief.
Originally posted by ivanhoeTrue, but that's pretty crappy sarcasm. Are you going to share your interpretation of the story of the Rich Young Man or will it remain like the combination of Coletti's safe - known only to God and the Elect? (now THAT's sarcasm)
No1 loves sarcasm. It's his hobby and specialty.