01 Jun 05
Gotta run but Mark 10:18 says this in the KJV:
18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
If none are good, but God, and Jesus is saying he is not be called good, then that means He is not God. "but one" makes that meaning even clearer. It may not be an internal contradiction, but it seems to contradict the idea that Jesus was God, don't it? I await the response of the master logician who believes all the species of animals marched onto a boat built by a 900 year old man to avoid a world wide flood 4300 years ago!
01 Jun 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerIt's ok with me if you don't want to hear the word of the Kingdom unfiltered through explainations thats what Matthew 13 speaks to.
You're as bad as some of the CR in the "Broken Record Dept."
Get over it. Both the words of Christ and the Epistles of Paul are part of the Bible. Both the evangelist and Paul are drawing from the same source when they write.
If you don't understand it , read it until you do.
01 Jun 05
Originally posted by no1marauderWow!!! that old Sumerian king Ziusudra was an oldie.
Gotta run but Mark 10:18 says this in the KJV:
18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
If none are good, but God, and Jesus is saying he is not be called good, then that means He is not God. "but one" makes that meaning even clearer. It may not be an internal ...[text shortened]... mals marched onto a boat built by a 900 year old man to avoid a world wide flood 4300 years ago!
01 Jun 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeWhat's interesting about that? Paulinism (sic) is everything St. Paul wrote in his epistles; you know - Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Timothy and the rest.
Why don't you initiate a thread on Paulinism in general and what it constitutes according to you ? That would be interesting !
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672I was just quoting what I heard on the Christian radio station.
Someone should take away your computer. You should be made to stand on a street corner and shout these things at the top of your lungs until you get a beating. You get two five minute breaks a day for juice and cookies. Have to scream the rest of the time.
Jesus does say there is no one good but God.
And also the Bible says that no one does good.
So that is way no good people are in heaven, only the saved sinners are in heaven.
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by ColettiYet, many Christians believe that Jesus is God and here Jesus seems to be saying he isn't.
For there to be a contradiction, you must first have two statements, two propositions. You have one proposition and one question. I think what you have here is a enthymeme. So what propositions are un-stated, and what conclusion is being implied?
Why?
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightJesus does not actually say that he is not God, nor does he ask the young man not to call him good. What Coletti is trying to get at is that this is an additional assumption of the reader's; hence the argument is an enthymeme.
Yet, many Christians believe that Jesus is God and here Jesus seems to be saying he isn't.
Why?
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightYou can not tell if Jesus is saying he is not God. An enthymeme is an argument which some statements are assumed but not verbalized. Since this has only one statement, and a question - there is no obvious conclusion one can draw. I think the unstated argument is as follows:
Yet, many Christians believe that Jesus is God and here Jesus seems to be saying he isn't.
Why?
* You call me good.
* Only God is good.
* Either I am God, or I am not good.
* I am good
* Therefore I am God
The enthymeme is a Disjunctive Hypothetical Syllogism
* Either A or B
* Not B
* Therefore A
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerHence, you and the fundies refuse to address the logical quandry I pointed out in the last post. Care to address it LH? Whatever the argument is, you haven't answered it.
Jesus does not actually say that he is not God, nor does he ask the young man not to call him good. What Coletti is trying to get at is that this is an additional assumption of the reader's; hence the argument is an enthymeme.
02 Jun 05
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Originally posted by ColettiLMFAO! Pretend logic won't do it; Jesus says don't call me good as only God is good. Therefore, logically Jesus is saying he isn't God. Try again.
You can not tell if Jesus is saying he is not God. An enthymeme is an argument which some statements are assumed but not verbalized. Since this has only one statement, and a question - there is no obvious conclusion one can draw. I think ...[text shortened]... hetical Syllogism
* Either A or B
* Not B
* Therefore A
02 Jun 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerOK, it's implicit that some people believe in the Trinity.
Jesus does not actually say that he is not God, nor does he ask the young man not to call him good. What Coletti is trying to get at is that this is an additional assumption of the reader's; hence the argument is an enthymeme.
Nevertheless, it is perfectly reasonable to infer that in this case, Jesus is saying he is not God.