How is eternity expressed mathematically?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
look, he makes a reference to the lake of fire in the book of revelation which seems to espouse the idea of eternal torment, then later he makes a reference to the doctrine of annihilation, one cannot simply ignore the fact, for they are not one and the same thing.

So you are seriously claiming to be unaware of Grampy Bobby's views on "eternal torment"? And you are seriously claiming that the word "annihilation" cropping up in some copy pastes a few pages ago means that you think he might subscribe to "the doctrine of annihilation"? This is you honestly stating your view on Grampy Bobby's beliefs?

Originally posted by FMF
So you are seriously claiming to be unaware of Grampy Bobby's views on "eternal torment"? And you are seriously claiming that the word "annihilation" cropping up in some copy pastes a few pages ago means that you think he might subscribe to "the doctrine of annihilation"? This is you honestly stating your view on Grampy Bobby's beliefs?

I am claiming nothing, there are two conflicting perspectives, anyone can see it for themselves.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am claiming nothing, there are two conflicting perspectives, anyone can see it for themselves.

And when you say you don't know what perspective Grampy Bobby subscribes to, you are being truthful?

Originally posted by FMF
And when you say you don't know what perspective Grampy Bobby subscribes to, you are being truthful?

I can only go by what is written, for even if GB espouses eternal torment it still does not explain why he has made reference to eternal annihilation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I can only go by what is written.

You mean you claim that you are being truthful?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I can only go by what is written, for even if GB espouses eternal torment it still does not explain why he has made reference to eternal annihilation.

You think he might subscribe to "the doctrine of annihilation"? You are being truthful when you suggest this?

Originally posted by FMF
You mean you claim that you are being truthful?

I am not claiming to be truthful or untruthful, the argument has nothing to do with me personally. There are simply two points of reference, one to eternal torment and one to annihilation.

Originally posted by FMF
You think he might subscribe to "the doctrine of annihilation"? You are being truthful when you suggest this?

the argument has nothing to do with me personally, I did not author the quotes and I have actually no real way of knowing which GB subscribes to, his earlier posting would seem to indicate that he advocates eternal punishment but this later posting with its reference to annihilation seems to contradict that stance. Now if you can explain how he first advocates a particular stance and then latterly seems to contradict that very stance then please do so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not claiming to be truthful or untruthful, the argument has nothing to do with me personally. There are simply two points of reference, one to eternal torment and one to annihilation.

What you claim is your honest view (of what Grampy Bobby's beliefs are) is your personal claim and you personal view. And it is the veracity of these claim you have personally made about yourself that I am questioning.

I am not claiming to be truthful or untruthful...

So, let me get this straight, you cannot state categorically whether you were being truthful or untruthful about the personal views you have expressed in recent posts here?

Originally posted by FMF
What you claim is your honest view (of what Grampy Bobby's beliefs are) is your personal claim and you personal view. And it is the veracity of these claim you have personally made about yourself that I am questioning.

[b]I am not claiming to be truthful or untruthful...

So, let me get this straight, you cannot state categorically whether you were being truthful or untruthful about the personal views you have expressed in recent posts here?[/b]

Yes ill let you have it straight, the argument has nothing to do with me personally and all references to my persona will henceforth be treated as irrelevancies and ignored. If you want to discuss the merits of the posts themselves then that is fine but you will not be allowed to enter your usual modus operandi by attacking the personalities behind those posts. I hope that is clear and straightforward enough for you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the argument has nothing to do with me personally, I did not author the quotes and I have actually no real way of knowing which GB subscribes to, his earlier posting would seem to indicate that he advocates eternal punishment but this later posting with its reference to annihilation seems to contradict that stance. Now if you can explain how he firs ...[text shortened]... es a particular stance and then latterly seems to contradict that very stance then please do so.

Where did he contradict his "eternal punishment" stance?

the argument has nothing to do with me personally...

The issue of your possibly-truthful / possibly-untruthful comments about whether or not you know what Grampy Bobby's beliefs are regarding "eternal torment" is most certainly about you personally. Who else would your truthfulness/untruthfulness be about?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[...] [Grampy Bobby's] stance is unclear whether he supports eternal torment or annihilation.

Is this an honest statement of your views on Grampy Bobby's beliefs?

Originally posted by FMF
Where did he contradict his "eternal punishment" stance?

[b]the argument has nothing to do with me personally...

The issue of your possibly-truthful / possibly-untruthful comments about whether or not you know what Grampy Bobby's beliefs are regarding "eternal torment" is most certainly about you personally. Who else would your truthfulness/untruthfulness be about?[/b]

Where did he contradict his "eternal punishment" stance?

I have explained it once i will not do so again ad nauseum, there are two points of contention, one which seems to espouse a belief in eternal punishment one which seems to espouse a belief in the doctrine of annihilation.

I think it might help if you would simply explain his use of the term, doctrine of annihilation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...I have actually no real way of knowing which GB subscribes to...

And again, is this an honest statement of your views on what Grampy Bobby subscribes to?

Originally posted by FMF
Is this an honest statement of your views on Grampy Bobby's beliefs?

personal reference: ignored