How Was the Son of God Deified?

@josephw said
Not a problem sonship that we disagree on matters theologically.

But it IS a problem that you and I disagree on matters theologically….why is that Josephw?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
No it is not. It is honoring my Christian brothers and sisters and serving them.And it is also [i]mutual[/b] as I receive serving in ministry FROM other believers as well.

Jospehw said earlier that he cannot get his head around deification, or at least your teaching on it. That hardly sounds like your “ministry” is hitting its spot sonship.

Oh but hold on… he went on to say that “he thinks he knows what sonship means”. !!

So he’s sort of tangentially telling you that you are wrong, but then putting his own spin on deification such that it sits ok with him in his head. And then you stroke him back with a cringeworthy “that is so beautifully put”.

What a joke you two are!
Obsequious stroking of each other, ever-so-slightly trying to disagree with each other but soothing with more strokes as you circle each other in this public display of YUK!

@divegeester said
But it IS a problem that you and I disagree on matters theologically….why is that Josephw?

Because you make it a problem.

You infuse into the discussion your ego, which creates a clash with personality, opinion and belief. You lose sight of the object of discussion and become emotionally involved.

You see, I don't care if you want to believe and think that because metaphorical terms are used to describe biblical truths, and that because of that you disbelieve in the literal historicity of events past, present and future, and their manifestations in reality, because I'm not emotionally invested for or against your personal points of view.

And because it aggravates you emotionally, personally and on some intellectual level that I believe in "literal interpretation", which you mistakenly think means what it doesn't, you insist on being a dick about it at every turn.

But don't worry. I don't dislike you, whoever you are, and I don't hold grudges. I just keep movin' on.

@divegeester said
Jospehw said earlier that he cannot get his head around deification, or at least your teaching on it. That hardly sounds like your “ministry” is hitting its spot sonship.

Oh but hold on… he went on to say that “he thinks he knows what sonship means”. !!

So he’s sort of tangentially telling you that you are wrong, but then putting his own spin on deification such th ...[text shortened]... th each other but soothing with more strokes as you circle each other in this public display of YUK!

To that I say, using the common vulgar, go fug yourself divegeester.

You like a nosy little girl. Mind your own business.

@josephw said
You infuse into the discussion your ego, which creates a clash with personality, opinion and belief. You lose sight of the object of discussion and become emotionally involved.

Oh the irony.

@josephw said
Shut up. You're full of mierda. 💩

You're the worst Bible twister in this forum, right next to divegeester.

The bible is not the way to eternal life
Jesus Christ is the way.
The worst bible twisters are those who twist the teachings of Christ.


like you

@rajk999 said
The bible is not the way to eternal life



like you

Just figure that out genius?

Without the Bible there'd be no way of knowing the way to eternal life.

Ditz

@rajk999 said
Jesus Christ is the way.



like you

And you're so ditz you probably think you're the only one that knows that.

@rajk999 said
The worst bible twisters are those who twist the teachings of Christ.

No kidding Mr. Obvious.

Try finding something substantive to say.

@fmf said
Oh the irony.

The irony is that you, divegeester and Rajk are the instigators and don't even know it.

@josephw said
No kidding Mr. Obvious.

Try finding something substantive to say.

Your Christian buddy sonship twisted the story of the Good Samaritan and said it has nothing to do with how people should live, but all to do with Jesus helping others. That is complete rubbish interpretation and is a widespread doctrine among Christians who promote a faith only doctrine devoid of good works.

You are cut from the same cloth.

@josephw

Not a problem sonship that we disagree on matters theologically.

That's right. And I could be mistaken.
But at the end of this post I would like to ask you a crucial question for you
consideration. At the end.

Makes for good discussions. Would be good for your argument if there was an accredited theologian you could cite to support your assertions.

Athanasius of Alexandria 300-373 AD.
But I would not by mentioning him infer that EVERYTHING about him is
equaly recommended. I suspect that you may simply object by pointing out
something about Atanasius that would be ground to hold him suspect.

I don't take your request as Ie. "Name a theologian who would teach deification
and absolutely everyting else about him is above reproach."

I think I can do much better than that imo.
I think I have the Lord Jesus Christ Himself in His mighty petition to the Father in
John 17:21-24.

We can discuss those verses seperatetly latter. I referred to them before.
His request includes these words:

"Father, concerning that which You hasve given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." (v.24)

The question is what does He mean by "that they may be with Me where I am". I am more persuaded that He means not some phywsical location but a divine and mystical "where I am" .

I think it is superficial to imagine Jesus meant "where I am" to be in heaven or on earth. I think "where I am" is in His union and mingling with God as God-man.

I do not count this position to observe His unique eternal glory to be observed from a certain cloud or some heavenly bleachers as if in some celestial stadium. I take to be with Him where He is means to be in the reality of His divinized humanity. The sign of the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 and 22 symbolically conveys this profound fulfillment of God's eternal purpse.

And this in no way usurps His unique Godhead. It does affirm His expansion, His mutiplication in many sons of God into a corporate expression of deified humanity.

I've never heard any other, and I've heard many, ever assert the idea of "deification". It's a seriously strong concept that needs more support than only you propounding it in this backwater hole-in-the-wall forum.

That prompted me to laugh out loud for some reason.
Despise not the day of small beginnings. (Zech 4:10)

So far you have zero converts, and sorry to say you have alienated a few Christians and brought a barrage of criticism on yourself and your solitary idea of deification.

All I can do in this case if give reason for the hope that is within me.
Evidence is not persuasion.

With some you cannot talk about "milk" forever.
For some the time comes to talk about more "meat" like solid food of God's
revelation.

But that this may draw criticism, is true.
I have a couple of atheists here who are devoted to disagreeing with me no
matter WHAT I write about to other Christians or themselves.

Speaking of lesser subject matter will not change their level of disagreement.
The Christian faith in any form is held by contempt to them.

In my opinion this forum format is better suited to a defense of creation in opposition to evolution, than as a place to assert a particular systematic theological position.

Maybe you are right.
But if anyone begins to read and read more carefully the word of God, I am very
happy. Faith comes by hearing. And hearing by the word of Christ.

Its a win / win for me if a desire to better know the Scriptures arises in someone.
You know there is no book like the Bible for infusing God's light into the human
heart.

But, of course, you are free to post as you see fit. Just like the rest of us.

Thankyou.
Now as promised here is a question for you.
Think on it and give me your reply when you are ready.

Question: "Why should we NOT be deified? It is not because of OUR righteousness God does His work in us. It is because of Jesus Christ as our righteousness - which is eternally secure, more than rock solid, unshakable, faithful to the uttermost, and beyond what we could ask or think.

So my question to you Josephw is - Why should we NOT be deified ?
Are you worried that we are unworthy and do not deserve such ?

We don't deserve ANY of what Christ is to us and does for us!

So, why should we NOT be deified?