13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @js357You will not know God without being saved.
This very thread title is about salvation. If it is actually about knowing God, that is only as a prerequisite to salvation, I.e., knowing the “right thing” about God, to wit, whether God issues OSAS certificates.
Anybody who denies that the central issue of Christianity is salvation, needs a reality check.
13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I know you hate me; I know we disagree; I'm not so arrogant as to think I have all the answers. I answered the general question with a general answer in what little time I had to type something up. I never said anyone who disagrees with it is wrong. Unlike you, I don't condemn everyone who disagrees with me to hell. I don't play God.
The concept of man being utterly depraved does not exist in the Bible. Except of course if one passage is taken out context and twisted.
Man is nothing according to you and God is everything therefore if man fails its Gods fault .. clearly. But then Paul said that some men fail. [Let me know if you want the references .. there are dozens]
So its Gods fault. Nice doctrine
Originally posted by @kellyjayIt is not important to Know God. Neither is it important to be 'saved' in the sense you think
You will not know God without being saved.
What is important is to abide in Christ / abide in the love of Christ.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)
All the world is saved by the blood of Christ. There is only one other duty left for man to do:
- church preaches to believe in Christ and
- Christ preaches to obey his commandments
In the end who saved or who enters the Kingdom of God, Jesus says are the ones who follow his commandments.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI dont hate you. I just think that you are a stupid man. Its not a big deal. Its jut my opinion based on stuff you said recently.
I know you hate me; I know we disagree; I'm not so arrogant as to think I have all the answers. I answered the general question with a general answer in what little time I had to type something up. I never said anyone who disagrees with it is wrong. Unlike you, I don't condemn everyone who disagrees with me to hell. I don't play God.
I know you answered the question. I am questioning some things in your response. And your response confirms what I said... you are a stupid man. Were you not so stupid you would have dealt with the points made in the post. Nowhere did I suggest any of the nonsense which you carried on about.
Why do you people always do that? My guess is that you do not understand your church doctrine, so when challenged you are a lost soul with nothing of substance to say
13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Not bothering to engage you (in depth) is not necessarily a symptom of stupidity. You are a hateful, arrogant person and I prefer not to have anything to do with you for that reason. I took the time to try and explain myself--which I now regret. I'll put you back on ignore.
I dont hate you. I just think that you are a stupid man. Its not big deal.
I know you answered the question. I am questioning some things in your response. And your response confirms what I said... you are a stupid man. Were you not so stupid you would have dealt with the points made in the post. Nowhere did I suggest any of the nonsense which you carr ...[text shortened]... nd your church doctrine, so when challenged you are a lost soul with nothing of substance to say
Originally posted by @tom-wolseySo .. stupid man .. you want to claim that mankind is utterly depraved and go unchallenged ... ?
Not bothering to engage you (in depth) is not necessarily a symptom of stupidity. You are a hateful, arrogant person and I prefer not to have anything to do with you for that reason. I took the time to try and explain myself--which I now regret. I'll put you back on ignore.
Originally posted by @rajk999Like others, the doctrine of "total depravity" is propped up by taking verses out of context such as "all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" and "None is righteous, no, not one".
So .. stupid man .. you want to claim that mankind is utterly depraved and go unchallenged ... ?
There's more than a little bit of willful ignorance going on there.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneCorrect .. but nobody wants to discuss it in detail and it appears to be a core teaching.
Like others, the doctrine of "total depravity" is propped up by taking verses out of context such as "all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" and " “None is righteous, no, not one".
There's more than a little bit of willful ignorance going on there.
13 Jun 18
Originally posted by @eladarWell if he can’t earn salvation in the first place on your own merit why would you lose it once you receive it as a gift?
Why is it never directly stated?
Seems to me that OSAS is man's attempt to explain something based on assumptions.
Of course if OSAS is directly stated in the Bible I would love to see it quoted.
No quotes as to why it must be true in your eyes. I want a direct Biblical statement that says if you believe you are saved then you are saved and can nev ...[text shortened]... elect but no where do I find the elect know who they are. They simply work out their salvation.
Originally posted by @rbhillHow do you know you are not wrong about receiving the gift?
Well if he can’t earn salvation in the first place on your own merit why would you lose it once you receive it as a gift?
Do you believe your perception of reality is perfect?
Do you not believe it likely a child of Satan can be easily decieved?