11 Mar 06
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI don't know how long anyone has to live, that isn't something I'm
Well no, but even if you're right then this is no reason to start believing in ghosts. I will live for another 35 years or so and my life's meaning will be carried on by those I've influenced and by those they influence until humanity becomes extinct.
I can't help but point out that there have been a number of moral justifications for the slaying of ...[text shortened]... s killing forever wouldn't really be dead and all go to heaven. I'm with the Nihilists.
aware of or worry to much about when it comes to this life time.
I also agree with you, there are a number of justifications for evil
things done in the name of good things or people. This does not
mean that the good things or people are bad, only that evil things
were done in their name.
Looking at an after life one would have to then start looking at
each view of what that means. It is quite easy to discuss nothing
after this life, there isn't much in the realm of different types of
nothing, it basically is just nothing, while an after life you will have
to define it in great detail.
Kelly
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by KellyJayBut what is good what is bad, who decides? Morality? And who decides whats moral???
I don't know how long anyone has to live, that isn't something I'm
aware of or worry to much about when it comes to this life time.
I also agree with you, there are a number of justifications for evil
things done in the name of good things or people. This does not
mean that the good things or people are bad, only that evil things
were done in their n ...[text shortened]... lly is just nothing, while an after life you will have
to define it in great detail.
Kelly
11 Mar 06
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Originally posted by KellyJayI still don't have any idea what you are trying to say. Must just be me! (along with everyone else trying to interpret your stance).
Correct, if there is nothing at the end of it all than all purpose is
lost in the end, there isn't a real lasting purpose, there isn't a
scale of good or bad, all actions, all inactions would all end the
same way. Vaniety would be at the core of all meaning for us here,
all things are equal, all things, all views, all ideas will with time
come to naugh ...[text shortened]... h you, and you make anything
last if at the end of the equation, nothing is the score.
Kelly
Edit: I am reasonably sure that you are just saying that there is no ultimate purpose to life just in case there is no ultimate purpose to life. Agreed!
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by LemonJelloIf all that matters, matter only in this life and there is nothing beyond
I still don't have any idea what you are trying to say. Must just be me! (along with everyone else trying to interpret your stance).
Edit: I am reasonably sure that you are just saying that there is no ultimate purpose to life just in case there is no ultimate purpose to life. Agreed!
this, all that we say matters is simply vainity. It ends the same way
no matter how or what is valued, so that makes all roads in life equal.
There isn't a 'right' or 'wrong' path, since all paths or values are again
going to end the same way. What is valued here is only going to be
valued here while those that value it are here, as soon as they are
gone, so is the importance placed on what was cared for.
What seems to be upsetting is that people want to make their views
out to be above the nothing that will eat up all they care about as
time goes by, because in the end all life will pass that way.
This is only the case if all that is important is only important in this
life time and nothing awaits all life after this.
Kelly
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you know what 'vanity' means? 'Cause you keep misusing the word. Also do you have an argument for the claim that if two paths in life end similarly, then the paths are equal? 'Cause I know at least two roads that lead from Seattle to my home town, and one is much better than the other.
If all that matters, matter only in this life and there is nothing beyond
this, all that we say matters is simply vainity. It ends the same way
no matter how or what is valued, so that makes all roads in life equal.
There isn't a 'right' or 'wrong' path, since all paths or values are again
going to end the same way. What is valued here is only going to ...[text shortened]... portant is only important in this
life time and nothing awaits all life after this.
Kelly
12 Mar 06
Originally posted by KellyJayIt ends the same way
If all that matters, matter only in this life and there is nothing beyond
this, all that we say matters is simply vainity. It ends the same way
no matter how or what is valued, so that makes all roads in life equal.
There isn't a 'right' or 'wrong' path, since all paths or values are again
going to end the same way. What is valued here is only going to ...[text shortened]... portant is only important in this
life time and nothing awaits all life after this.
Kelly
no matter how or what is valued, so that makes all roads in life equal.
There isn't a 'right' or 'wrong' path, since all paths or values are again
going to end the same way.
That's just silly. As has already been demonstrated in this thread, our actions in this life carry real consequences that require no additional justification from arbitrary eschatological fairy tales. If one applies virtually any ethical or evaluative treatment (apart from your ridiculous 'the measure of life is a path-independent integral' standard above), then there is really no reasonable way to state that all paths of life are 'equal'. At any rate, I think you are looking at this all backwards: if death brings a permanent end to consciousness; and if this natural life is all I have, so to speak; then, instead of resorting to nihilism, it seems I ought to be quite vigilant and discriminating concerning the way I live.
What is valued here is only going to be
valued here while those that value it are here
Aye aye, Captain Obvious. You can be at no loss to understand why I view much of your 'argument' as mere verbiage and tautology.
12 Mar 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThat would come down to cause and effect which would deny humanity a 'free will' which ties in nicely with the god vs nihilist perspective. Christianity says we have free will but does nihilism?
What we do here today echoes in eternity.
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12 Mar 06
Originally posted by bbarrIf all roads took everyone to Seattle and once there you could never
Do you know what 'vanity' means? 'Cause you keep misusing the word. Also do you have an argument for the claim that if two paths in life end similarly, then the paths are equal? 'Cause I know at least two roads that lead from Seattle to my home town, and one is much better than the other.
leave, all roads would be different paths, but it would make not a
single difference which one was taken with regard to where they all
ended up, since they all end in endless Seattle.
Taking pride in anything over one's choices will not make a difference
in the end. The fool, the wise, the rich, the poor end the same, no
escaping the inevitable of nothingness if that were the end. Making
the most out of one's life would be no different than not caring less
about one's life, the pride taken in either would be pride in a temporary
thing that will only last during this brief time.
Which would mean that of course everyone is making their own way
and the question about right and wrong asked earlier about what is
right and wrong who gets to say, is really answered by everyone, or
another way of saying by no one in particular too. It would be a
fractured mess since everyone is doing what is right in their own eyes,
doing as is best for what is important for them. What is important
could strictly be themselves, or others it wouldn’t matter in the end
all roads if they lead to nothing treat both the same way.
Kelly
12 Mar 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1Actually, I was quoting from Gladiator. Wasn't trying to be very deep.
That would come down to cause and effect which would deny humanity a 'free will' which ties in nicely with the god vs nihilist perspective. Christianity says we have free will but does nihilism?
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12 Mar 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1Well, there is no free will. End of story.
That would come down to cause and effect which would deny humanity a 'free will' which ties in nicely with the god vs nihilist perspective. Christianity says we have free will but does nihilism?
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