In Preparation for August

Originally posted by googlefudge
[b]Your post is dealing with a question of 'how' one might post without being 'offensive, disrespectful etc'

But doesn't deal with 'why' I/anyone should be respectful to people, and towards posts, who/that tell
me that I deserve to be murdered/tortured?

"I have never had any satisfactory answer to that question."

"I have never had any satisfactory answer to that question."

Do I have this right? Your question is, "why do I deserve to be punished in everlasting hell?"

Is that correct?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Did you read Suzianne's post to me?

You cannot say that the god of the bible is evidently immoral and evil [as well as fictional]
without it being taken as insulting and disrespectful by someone.

As it is true that the god of the bible is immoral and evil and fictional, and that those are important
points in many of the discussions here, it is ...[text shortened]... he whole "lets not offend anyone" bit would prevent me from saying so.

Never going to happen.

I do see your point. Some people get offended no matter what you say about their beliefs.

At the very least, when August comes, try to not be the one who initiates any insults. If we can get enough people who agree to avoid being uncivil next month, maybe you will not get insulted, and won't feel the need to lash out.

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"I have never had any satisfactory answer to that question."

Do I have this right? Your question is, "why do I deserve to be punished in everlasting hell?"

Is that correct?[/b]

Um, no. That's not my question at all.

My question is why I should respect those who believe and claim that I deserve to burn in hell.

Originally posted by vivify
I do see your point. Some people get offended no matter what you say about their beliefs.

At the very least, when August comes, try to not be the one who initiates any insults. If we can get enough people who agree to avoid being uncivil next month, maybe you will not get insulted, and won't feel the need to lash out.

I've already said that I will avoid starting anything.

I'm not going to sabotage your love in, even if I don't approve of it. 😉

Originally posted by googlefudge
Um, no. That's not my question at all.

My question is why I should respect those who believe and claim that I deserve to burn in hell.

So, your question is, why should I respect those whose beliefs I don't respect, right?

Thanks for making *my* point.

Originally posted by vivify
Why? You can still say the same things about their deity without being disrespectful. You can point out all the murders in the bible without throwing an insult. Pointing out morally dubious actions is enough.

For example, if I say "God killed the first born of Egypt, even though those first born didn't do anything to deserve being murdered", or "even ...[text shortened]... ay to debate anything. Since when has throwing insults ever helped advance a discussion anyway?

Still not getting the point, are you?

Originally posted by Suzianne
So, your question is, why should I respect those whose beliefs I don't respect, right?

Thanks for making *my* point.

Not really no.

I respect your right to hold those beliefs.

And I can respect you for other things and for other reasons.

What I don't get is having someone tell me [like you do] "you deserve to be murdered by my god"
and then have that person expect me to respect either that belief or them for holding that belief.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Not really no.

I respect your right to hold those beliefs.

And I can respect you for other things and for other reasons.

What I don't get is having someone tell me [like you do] "you deserve to be murdered by my god"
and then have that person expect me to respect either that belief or them for holding that belief.

But that was the point of what I said. People who want to have this "love-in" say you can disrespect someone's belief without being disrespectful of them. I say that's not reality.

Originally posted by Suzianne
But that was the point of what I said. People who want to have this "love-in" say you can disrespect someone's belief without being disrespectful of them. I say that's not reality.

In that we agree.

However, that being said, you don't have to be as hostile as you have become.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Um, no. That's not my question at all.

My question is why I should respect those who believe and claim that I deserve to burn in hell.

I don't know much about you, but if it makes you feel any better, what the bible really says is that we all deserve to burn in hell.
The Mercy of God is not getting what we deserve.
Then the bible further says that Grace is getting what we do not deserve.🙂

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I don't know much about you, but if it makes you feel any better, what the bible really says is that we all deserve to burn in hell.
The Mercy of God is not getting what we deserve.
Then the bible further says that Grace is getting what we do not deserve.🙂

No, that doesn't make me feel any better.

It's sick, twisted, and evil.

And it still has me [according to your religion] deserving to burn in hell.
What makes you think that I would feel less aversion to your beliefs by
saying that 'hey, everyone else deserves to burn in hell too'...

In what possible way does that make it better????

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I don't know much about you, but if it makes you feel any better, what the bible really says is that we all deserve to burn in hell.
The Mercy of God is not getting what we deserve.
Then the bible further says that Grace is getting what we do not deserve.🙂

The bible says no such thing. The bible describes many as perfect, or as righteous, or as worthy of life eternal. Your obsession with hell and boasting that you are a sinner is abnormal.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Um, no. That's not my question at all.

My question is why I should respect those who believe and claim that I deserve to burn in hell.

You shouldn't!

Anyone that presumes to know that about you is out of their ass.

You could be saved yet! 😉

Originally posted by googlefudge
No, that doesn't make me feel any better.

It's sick, twisted, and evil.

And it still has me [according to your religion] deserving to burn in hell.
What makes you think that I would feel less aversion to your beliefs by
saying that 'hey, everyone else deserves to burn in hell too'...

In what possible way does that make it better????

Most people are some what put at ease when they discover they are not alone. Sorry..

Originally posted by Rajk999
The bible says no such thing. The bible describes many as perfect, or as righteous, or as worthy of life eternal. Your obsession with hell and boasting that you are a sinner is abnormal.

I disagree, the bible says that very thing when studied.
I agree that I am abnormal. The bible says "peculiar"