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Originally posted by @philokaliaYou say the average IQ of the American caucasian is like 100, the avg IQ of the ethnic Korean is about 106. Do you think if that average fell 6 points from 106 to 100 that crime would go up?
But, invariably, it is reflected in Korea's lower crime statistics and safety as well as general convenience livability.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhat's the average IQ in Indonesia and how does it correspond to the homicide rate (for instance) compared to IQ/homicide rate in Korea?
LOL, it doesn't work that way because if the average IQ o fthe American caucasian is like 100, the avg IQ of the ethnic Korean is about 106. This is not great enough of a difference to cause much or any measurable difference in what would amount to day to day life. But, invariably, it is reflected in Korea's lower crime statistics and safety as well as general convenience livability.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfThere would be a lot of variables for crime, and also I imagine that a place like Indonesia still has the Flynn effect being quite relevant. Meaning, that many elder people never had educational opportunities and thus it is likely that while they would score in the 80s this isn't a reflection of their actual capacity.
What's the average IQ in Indonesia and how does it correspond to the homicide rate (for instance) compared to IQ/homicide rate in Korea?
According to just one quick google, the average within Indonesia appears to be 89.
Low IQ correlates well with crime, and is a predictor; but there are other factors, such as poverty, and especially something like low time preference. Check out the studies on low time preference versus high time preference.
Of course, there are also environmental factors, too many to count.
But generally speaking, it is easy to predict that low IQ, low time preference, poverty and necessity will produce criminality.
What do you think? I'll not really respond to anymore questions because at this point this is just interrogation.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaOK, so I find that the average IQ in Indonesia is 87. You tell me the average IQ in Korea is 106. You also said that the higher IQ is "invariably" reflected in Korea's lower crime statistics. I see that the homicide rate in Indonesia with its IQ of 87 is 0.50 while the homicide rate in Korea with its IQ of 106 is 0.74. In what sense were you using the word "invariably"?
Low IQ correlates well with crime, and is a predictor; but there are other factors, such as poverty, and especially something like low time preference. Check out the studies on low time preference versus high time preference.
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Originally posted by @philokalia<According to just one quick google, the average within Indonesia appears to be 89.>
There would be a lot of variables for crime, and also I imagine that a place like Indonesia still has the Flynn effect being quite relevant. Meaning, that many elder people never had educational opportunities and thus it is likely that while they would score in the 80s this isn't a reflection of their actual capacity.
According to just one quick googl ...[text shortened]... ? I'll not really respond to anymore questions because at this point this is just interrogation.
The average within Indonesia would be much lower - likely in the mid 70s - if FMF’s 600+ IQ did not make the average abnormally high.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaOnce again, I make the invitation: If you fancy addressing the OP and its specific framing of the idea of "individualism", you'd probably need to use the terms "participation", "obligation" and "public" and "citizenry" at least a few times, rather than ones like "individuality" or "individuation".
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27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfSurely you’re not suggesting homicide is the only crime committed in either country.
OK, so I find that the average IQ in Indonesia is 87. You tell me the average IQ in Korea is 106. You also said that the higher IQ is "invariably" reflected in Korea's lower crime statistics. I see that the homicide rate in Indonesia with its IQ of 87 is 0.50 while the homicide rate in Korea with its IQ of 106 is 0.74. In what sense were you using the word "invariably"?
C’mon. You don’t need an IQ over 600 to spot the gaping hole in that argument.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfI'd say that the IQ of an Indonesian is not totally and accurately relfected by the tests because too many have been deprived of stimulation of the modernw orld and education. Like, I imagine Indoneisa in 1970 didn't have as many people actively attending school and interacting with difficult, modern labor tasks and thus there was not as high of an IQ, and even malnutrition could effect it.
OK, so I find that the average IQ in Indonesia is 87. You tell me the average IQ in Korea is 106. You also said that the higher IQ is "invariably" reflected in Korea's lower crime statistics. I see that the homicide rate in Indonesia with its IQ of 87 is 0.50 while the homicide rate in Korea with its IQ of 106 is 0.74. In what sense were you using the word "invariably"?
But literally having a lower IQ due to deprivation does not actually mean that one is bereft of the mechanics and cognitive capabilities of a higher IQ (unless if it is literal mental development hindered due to malnutrition); it merely means that the mind was not routinely exercised at an early age to develop cognitive reasoning abilities useful in the standard IQ test.
These Indonesians probably still possess great abstract thought, ethical reasoning, and I imagine verbal IQs that belie their recorded IQ that is more reflective of geospatial reasoning (as all short, easy to perform IQ tests are).
How do you feel about this aspect of the answer? Basically, that they are a high IQ people deprived of some aspects due to the Flynn effect not taking full effect.
Another great example of this would be a place like India that now also has an avg. IQ of like 87 but, clearly, the Indian peoples who have gone to America and Britain are typically over achievers.
27 Feb 18
I'd also assume that the crime statistics that report the murder rate at that level have some other factors. Underreporting could be one. Or strict Islamic cultural influence.
IDK.
If you were to be honest, you'd know that my answer is that a lot of things affect crime and that only a low IQ correlates with it.
You simply did not fully understand what i meant by IQ perhaps because you are unfamiliar with the Flynn effect.
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27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfI consider participation to be an obligation among the public citizenry and certainly would discourage individuality from becoming individuation among individuals not associated with the public citizenry or group dynamics necessary for participation to appear voluntary rather than a moral obligation.
Once again, I make the invitation: If you fancy addressing the OP and its specific framing of the idea of "individualism", you'd probably need to use the terms "participation", "obligation" and "public" and "citizenry" at least a few times, rather than ones like "individuality" or "individuation".
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaAnd what about my question regarding homicide rates and about what the word "invariably" means when one uses it in the way you did?
I'd say that the IQ of an Indonesian is not totally and accurately relfected by the tests because too many have been deprived of stimulation of the modernw orld and education. Like, I imagine Indoneisa in 1970 didn't have as many people actively attending school and interacting with difficult, modern labor tasks and thus there was not as high of an IQ, a ...[text shortened]... , clearly, the Indian peoples who have gone to America and Britain are typically over achievers.
27 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhy are you fixated on IQ and race do you think? Are the Koreans you live among fixated in the same way?
If you were to be honest, you'd know that my answer is that a lot of things affect crime and that only a low IQ correlates with it.