Individualism & the human spirit

Originally posted by @fmf
The high homicide rates in places like Honduras, Venezuela, Jamaica and South Africa correspond pretty closely with their high crime rates generally. The low homicide rates in places like Indonesia, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore correspond pretty closely with their low crime rates generally.

You could have (and should have) been more precise by focusing on major crimes or felonies, rather than just homicide, imo.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You could have (and should have) been more precise by focusing on major crimes or felonies, rather than just homicide, imo.

Thanks for your suggestion but I think what I posted was OK.

Originally posted by @fmf
My third post on this page.

Yes, that was the post I paraphrased.

Originally posted by @fmf
Thanks for your suggestion but I think what I posted was OK.

Someone with a 675 IQ should strive for exceptional and not Ok

Originally posted by @romans1009
Someone with a 675 IQ should strive for exceptional and not Ok

😀

Originally posted by @fmf
Why are you fixated on IQ and race do you think? Are the Koreans you live among fixated in the same way?

I'm not actually fixated on this. I am interested in it because I believe that the level of general intelligence impacts the society.

Indeed, I went a very long time without talking about it at all. I began talking about it at the behest of Dive, who bugs me about it every time he feels like it.

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]These Indonesians probably still possess great abstract thought, ethical reasoning, and I imagine verbal IQs that belie their recorded IQ that is more reflective of geospatial reasoning (as all short, easy to perform IQ tests are).

If IQ tests don't accurately reflect intelligence in a broad sense but instead only reflect the skills "useful in the standard IQ test" why are you so fixated on them?[/b]

Because the skills employed on doing well on a standard IQ test are accurate measures for the ability to perform difficult tasks in a complex economy.

People not exposed to these things will not be able to do as well, of course, but that is life.

If they had been exposed to them, they would do well.

It is not a perfect system but it is pretty good.

Originally posted by @fmf
Earlier you were talking about the "physical realities" of IQ and race. What are the "physical realities" of the people from India in terms of IQ?

Oh geez, IDK. That would involve loads & loads of studies. We only have some general ideas about the cognitive abilities and how they relate back to the physicality.

FMF, you do believe that all realities are located in the physical, right?

Like... The intelligence of a man exists in his brain, and not in some spirit-mind outside of the body, right?

If my brain is damaged, it will affect my intelligence or some other cognitive or brain related feature.

And if the brain is the seat of cognition... One would think that, just like how big muscles correlate with strength, big, capable brains correlate with intelligence...

And just like how some people are born with a greater potential toward lifting heavy things or sprinting... others are bornw ith a greater potential towards cognition.

You believe this, right? FMF?

Once you answer that, I will answer more questions related to intelligence.

Or at least provide us with some alternative theory.

You don't get to be permanent interrogator.

Originally posted by @fmf
What did you not understand about the answer I've already given?

It was mentioned somewhere else but London has a lower crime rate but similar amounts of instances of petty crime as NYC. That is definitely worth mentioning.

Homicide certainly isnt the only measure of criminality.

Originally posted by @philokalia
Oh geez, IDK. That would involve loads & loads of studies. We only have some general ideas about the cognitive abilities and how they relate back to the physicality.

FMF, you do believe that all realities are located in the physical, right?

Like... The intelligence of a man exists in his brain, and not in some spirit-mind outside of the body, ri ...[text shortened]... t least provide us with some alternative theory.

You don't get to be permanent interrogator.

If you don't want to answer the question about people from India then that's OK by me.

Originally posted by @philokalia
There would be a lot of variables for crime, and also I imagine that a place like Indonesia still has the Flynn effect being quite relevant. Meaning, that many elder people never had educational opportunities and thus it is likely that while they would score in the 80s this isn't a reflection of their actual capacity.

According to just one quick googl ...[text shortened]... ? I'll not really respond to anymore questions because at this point this is just interrogation.

I think it is really interesting that some of the most heinous crimes have been committed not by the ignorant and uneducated but rather by some of the most intelligent and educated people.

Originally posted by @philokalia
Because the skills employed on doing well on a standard IQ test are accurate measures for the ability to perform difficult tasks in a complex economy.

I understand you to be saying that IQ tests measure the skills [that have been learned] to perform difficult tasks in a complex economy.

Originally posted by @philokalia
Homicide certainly isnt the only measure of criminality.

I've never met anyone who claimed it is but I suppose you've laid down a marker here in case anyone who does comes along.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think it is really interesting that some of the most heinous crimes have been committed not by the ignorant but rather by some of the most educated people.

That's true.

Originally posted by @fmf
I've never met anyone who claimed it is but I suppose you've laid down a marker here in case anyone who does comes along.

Alright, FMF,

your turn.

What is the seat of intelligence? Is it the physical brain? Are physical brains different than one another, and is it possible that some people have cognitive features that are superior to others, and capacities that are greater?

Would it make sense that these are heritable and not purely environmental?

Basically, what is your theory of intelligence and the human mind, and I'd also like to hear more about what you think of IQ.

I have been really fortchoming and an open book on all my answers for several pages now.

How about you offer us some answers for a change, FMF.

This could be a great opportunity to debut your new posting style.