Individualism & the human spirit

Originally posted by @philokalia
But literally having a lower IQ due to deprivation does not actually mean that one is bereft of the mechanics and cognitive capabilities of a higher IQ (unless if it is literal mental development hindered due to malnutrition); it merely means that the mind was not routinely exercised at an early age to develop cognitive reasoning abilities useful ...[text shortened]... IQ that is more reflective of geospatial reasoning (as all short, easy to perform IQ tests are).

These Indonesians probably still possess great abstract thought, ethical reasoning, and I imagine verbal IQs that belie their recorded IQ that is more reflective of geospatial reasoning (as all short, easy to perform IQ tests are).

If IQ tests don't accurately reflect intelligence in a broad sense but instead only reflect the skills "useful in the standard IQ test" why are you so fixated on them?

Originally posted by @fmf
And what about my question regarding homicide rates and about what the word "invariably" means when one uses it in the way you did?

I answered that one for him. Homicide is not the only crime that occurs in a country and is not a good indicator of a country’s lawlessness.

Originally posted by @philokalia
Another great example of this would be a place like India that now also has an avg. IQ of like 87 but, clearly, the Indian peoples who have gone to America and Britain are typically over achievers.

Earlier you were talking about the "physical realities" of IQ and race. What are the "physical realities" of the people from India in terms of IQ?

Originally posted by @fmf
Earlier you were talking about the "physical realities" of IQ and race. What are the "physical realities" of the people from India in terms of IQ?

You think *he’s* fixated on IQ and race? You’ve been yapping about it for 22 pages and show no signs of letting up. At least philo’s taking a breather.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You think *he’s* fixated on IQ and race? You’ve been yapping about it for 22 pages and show no signs of letting up. At least philo’s taking a breather.

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Originally posted by @fmf
Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Surely you appreciated my contribution on the crime discussion.

How could you possibly think the homicide rate in a country was the correct way to gauge how crime ridden the country was?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Surely you appreciated my contribution on the crime discussion.

How could you possibly think the homicide rate in a country was the correct way to gauge how crime ridden the country was?

Ever hear of assault, robbery, burglary, auto theft, larceny, rape? Are those not crimes?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Surely you appreciated my contribution on the crime discussion.

How could you possibly think the homicide rate in a country was the correct way to gauge how crime ridden the country was?

We have a relatively low crime rate in Indonesia which is pretty well reflected in ~ or represented by ~ the low homicide rate. It makes for a pretty good proxy in a quickly typed message board post. While there is more crime in big cities, Indonesia is not a "crime ridden" country.

Originally posted by @romans1009
[1] Ever hear of assault, robbery, burglary, auto theft, larceny, rape? [2] Are those not crimes?

[1] Yes. [2] Yes, they are.

Originally posted by @fmf
[1] Yes. [2] Yes, they are.

Then why seek to gauge the level of crime in a country by focusing solely on homicide?

That’d be like gauging the health of someone by focusing only on his heart.

More organs than just the heart; more crimes than just homicide.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Then why seek to gauge the level of crime in a country by focusing solely on homicide?

What did you not understand about the answer I've already given?

Originally posted by @fmf
We have a relatively low crime rate in Indonesia which is pretty well reflected in ~ or represented by ~ the low homicide rate. It makes for a pretty good proxy in a quickly typed message board post. While there is more crime in big cities, Indonesia is not a "crime ridden" country.

I never said Infonesia was a crime-ridden country. I did suggest the average IQ in Indonesia was abnormally high due to your massive 675 IQ being tossed into the mix.

Originally posted by @fmf
What did you not understand about the answer I've already given?

What, that you were too lazy to type “major crimes” instead of “homicide?” Was that the explanation?

Originally posted by @romans1009
How could you possibly think the homicide rate in a country was the correct way to gauge how crime ridden the country was?

The high homicide rates in places like Honduras, Venezuela, Jamaica and South Africa correspond pretty closely with their high crime rates generally. The low homicide rates in places like Indonesia, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore correspond pretty closely with their low crime rates generally.

Originally posted by @romans1009
What, that you were too lazy to type “major crimes” instead of “homicide?” Was that the explanation?

My third post on this page.