Is Disfellowship Physically and Spiritually Necessary

Originally posted by beauroberts
Having recently been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah Witness organization for partaking in a blood transfusion after several medically necessary surgeries and procedures, I am curious to know what everyones' opinion is on disfellowship as a whole. Is it necessary? Do you believe it is in accordance with Biblical teachings? How far should the disfellows ...[text shortened]... ary and whether or not it has worked or can work or if it can only have adverse effects.

Beau

Not in your case.

Originally posted by FMF
I think your concern for the victims of ostracisation is admirable and appropriate. However, the OP asks "Is Disfellowship Physically and Spiritually Necessary?"

I have argued that it is necessary for an organisation like the one under discussion here if that organisation is to maintain the kind of cult regime that it chooses to implement and which it uses t ...[text shortened]... brought to bear upon him was necessary. And it also sent a message to the remaining membership.

It seems like we can predict the intensity of an institution's methods of obtaining compliance with its teachings and doctrines, by examining the importance it places on them. In the case of religion, the importance placed, in many cases, seems to be infinite.

Originally posted by josephw
Not in your case.

As usual you chip in and yet say nothing at all.

Originally posted by divegeester
Both roigam and Galveston75 have questioned your integrity and honesty, I think the patience and grace you are exhibiting in the wake of their callous indifference to your plight is edifying.

It is interesting that while both roigam and Galveston75 openly display their disbelief at you being shunned because of receiving a transfusion, neither have de ...[text shortened]... n of the spiritual, physical and psychological dangers of of joining the Jehovah's Witness cult.

First I did not question his intergrity. I very much made it clear I do not know the specifics as to what went on between him, his family or the elders. I was not there and do not know any of the happenings or discussions that went on as YOU were not there either.

Second for your information I have talked privatly to this gentleman to encourage him on a course that might help him out, but that is before I knew he was disfellowshipped which he did not inform me of at the time.

I have taken no sides here and only know what he has said to us all. None of us were in the rooms with them at thier meetings RIGHT?

People usually have one of two reactions when they are being asked questions on some action they have taken on some subject that is considered wrong by either a policeman, judge, lawer, etc, etc. This is no different when there is a meeting with elders on a spiritual matter of concern.
The bible makes it clear that some will accept the reproof and repent or will reject it for whatever reason and be given some type of reproof to protect the congregation from it's influance.

So you know nothing on this matter nor the guidance Jehovah has given to the elders that he himself governs.

This is my only responce to you on this subject as you have proven over and over and over you care to learn nothing or understand the Bible and Jehovah in anyway and are nothing more then a spiritual fool with a mouth you can't control..........

Originally posted by galveston75
First I did not question his intergrity. I very much made it clear I do not know the specifics as to what went on between him, his family or the elders. I was not there and do not know any of the happenings or discussions that went on as YOU were not there either.

But beauroberts has told us about the happenings or discussions that went on. He has done so in some detail too. So we do know specifics as to what went on between him, his family and the elders. In light of this, how can you say that you don't know whilst also claiming that you are not questioning his integrity?

Originally posted by galveston75
I have taken no sides here and only know what he has said to us all. None of us were in the rooms with them at thier meetings RIGHT?

If the JW elders did try to turn beauroberts' wife against him and get her to leave him, and in so doing take away his children away from him too, what Biblical verses to justify this action do you suppose they cited? And supposing the elders did try to break up beauroberts' family over the issue of a life saving blood transfusion, do you condemn their action?

Originally posted by FMF
If the JW elders did try to turn beauroberts' wife against him and get her to leave him, and in so doing take away his children away from him too, what Biblical verses to justify this action do you suppose they cited? And supposing the elders did try to break up beauroberts' family over the issue of a life saving blood transfusion, do you condemn their action?

From being a JW all my life, having a father and many elders as my personal friends, knowing what could happen to the elders if they ever even came close to doing as he is suggesting they supposedly did...there is no way on earth I could believe this would or could happen.

WHY would they wat to do this????????????????

I have known many that were disfellowshipped in my 48 years as being a JW. I knew them personaly as close friends and knew their persoanlities and their spiritual qualities pretty well.

Ones that I knew that were on the edge so to say and were not as spiritual wise in the matters of laws or matters of the conscience as they could be were usually the ones that did not like or accept council just as a young child may not as apposed to a older wiser person who would likely take the council with more insight and wisdom of Jehovahs correction given in the bible.

So no there are no bible verses I know of that would give any elder the green light to do as he says they did.

Again why would they do this? What pleasure would come to them for this action??????????????

So yes if this truly did happen ( which I know it didn't ) I would condemn them for it.

Originally posted by galveston75
From being a JW all my life, having a father and many elders as my personal friends, knowing what could happen to the elders if they ever even came close to doing as he is suggesting they supposedly did...there is no way on earth I could believe this would or could happen.

So you don't believe beauroberts is telling the truth? Earlier, you said you are not questioning his integrity ~ but it seems pretty plain that you are.

Originally posted by galveston75
So yes if this truly did happen ( which I know it didn't ) I would condemn them for it.

If it did happen, do you think the elders should be disfellowshipped for their actions?

Originally posted by galveston75
I have known many that were disfellowshipped in my 48 years as being a JW. I knew them personaly as close friends and knew their persoanlities and their spiritual qualities pretty well.

Did you maintain your close friendships with them after they were disfellowshipped?

Originally posted by galveston75
First I did not question his intergrity. I very much made it clear I do not know the specifics as to what went on between him, his family or the elders. I was not there and do not know any of the happenings or discussions that went on as YOU were not there either.

Second for your information I have talked privatly to this gentleman to encour ...[text shortened]... ah in anyway and are nothing more then a spiritual fool with a mouth you can't control..........

I think it's very clear to readers who is being dishonest about not knowing the specifics; beauroberts had made all the specifics very clear.

You spent several posts in the thread copy/paste dumping your standard JW propaganda and then several more posts explaining how refusing to obey the alleged command of God not to take blood would result in the local congregation taking disciplinary steps, I.e disfellowship.

Next thing you are claiming you have never heard of anyone being disfellowshipped for refusing this command and you are acting all amazed with riogam (another little weasel in this revolting affair) that beauroberts is claiming such a thing - you were questioning his honesty and integrity.

This of course is all a backdrop to the elephant in the room where you and robbie carrobie have previously stated in other threads that the taking of a blood transfusion is a matter of personal conscience. How can it be a command AND still be a matter of choice?

Frankly Galveston75, you are the one being dishonest. Your church has abandoned him at his time of greatest need. You also say in your post that you now know that he has been disfellowshipped and have stopped your "private" conversation with him. What a giant of a man you are!

Don't worry galveston75 others here will stretch out the hand of human kindness to beauroberts. Others here and elsewhere will engage with him at his time of greatest need. Others who are part of God's "true" church will welcome him and his family into their congregation.

Not you lot...no, you and riogam can go back to your little Kingdom halls and and frown and tut and pontificate; wash your hands of the matter, keep your snug little congregations free of the sinner.

This thread will stand forever at RHP as testament to the nature of your squalid little religion and as an insight into the mean-spiritedness of yourself and riogam.

Originally posted by galveston75
...So yes if this truly did happen ( which I know it didn't ) I would condemn them for it.

If you are going to call beauroberts a liar I think that a) you should make you accusations at him directly instead of casting aspirations via your interactions with other posters, and b) you should provide some evidence to back up your accusations.

Originally posted by galveston75
First I did not question his intergrity. I very much made it clear I do not know the specifics as to what went on between him, his family or the elders. I was not there and do not know any of the happenings or discussions that went on as YOU were not there either.

Second for your information I have talked privatly to this gentleman to encour ...[text shortened]... ah in anyway and are nothing more then a spiritual fool with a mouth you can't control..........

I was indeed greeted and welcomed to the site with open arms. Just to clarify I was not disfellowshipped at that time. I wasn't disfellowshipped until the beginning of April this year. You are just hearing about it now because I have been absent from the site and the forums until just last week for health reasons. Roughly seven months without any activity...my chess game is rubbish, but one only need look at my rating graph to see I had a bunch of losses due to timeout due to inactivity. I appologize if this caused any clarity issues on your part.

Originally posted by beauroberts
I was indeed greeted and welcomed to the site with open arms. Just to clarify I was not disfellowshipped at that time. I wasn't disfellowshipped until the beginning of April this year. You are just hearing about it now because I have been absent from the site and the forums until just last week for health reasons. Roughly seven months without any activit ...[text shortened]... s due to timeout due to inactivity. I appologize if this caused any clarity issues on your part.

Also no witnesses public or private on this forum or in my inbox has reached out to me after I declared I was disfellowshipped. Consequently I declared I was disfellowshipped not for my own benefit but as a loving kindness to the Witness users who could actively choose to either talk or not talk to me. I, in fairness did not want them to engage in conversation without knowing.

Beau

Originally posted by beauroberts
Also no witnesses public or private on this forum or in my inbox has reached out to me after I declared I was disfellowshipped. Consequently I declared I was disfellowshipped not for my own benefit but as a loving kindness to the Witness users who could actively choose to either talk or not talk to me. I, in fairness did not want them to engage in conversation without knowing.

Beau

Your integrity in this sorry affair is transparent.