19 Dec 14
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Originally posted by FMFClassic galveston75:
Well, despite reading long detailed accounts of what happened written by the person it happened to, you nevertheless claimed "I do not know the specifics as to what went on between him, his family or the elders. And "...I do not know any of the happenings or discussions that went on...". Such a summary dismissal of a fellow Christian's testimony is nothing if not calling his integrity into question.
Show me where...
I never said that...
I've already answered you...
The bible clearly states...(when in fact it says nothing of the sort)
19 Dec 14
Originally posted by beaurobertsGood for you buddy; well said.
I do not require proof. I am a man of integrity, and will not have my good name questioned. I have done nothing and said nothing to cause you to question anything I have said or done.
I told you I was disfellowshipped. I told you the reason. I did not have to do that. Nor did I have explain how and why it happened. I having nothing against the brother ...[text shortened]... crystal clear to me.
So in the interest of being a human being I think you owe me an apology.
You won't get an apology of course; what you'll get is a load of JW duck speak and bluster.
19 Dec 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't try to "appear" as anything but myself. I'm definitely not clever. Do you think I said something clever? Is that what we're doing here? Being clever?
Are you now trying to appear as clever as RJHinds?
Why don't you just try to stay on topic for a change?
19 Dec 14
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Originally posted by josephwOk.
Why don't you just try to stay on topic for a change?
Your first post in this thread was to beauroberts OP where he was asking if disfellowshipment was necessary. You replied "not in your case"
Could you explain therefore, in what cases disfellowship would be necessary and why it's not necessary in beauroberts case?
Thanks .
23 Dec 14
Originally posted by beaurobertsThat question was not directed to you......
I do not require proof. I am a man of integrity, and will not have my good name questioned. I have done nothing and said nothing to cause you to question anything I have said or done.
I told you I was disfellowshipped. I told you the reason. I did not have to do that. Nor did I have explain how and why it happened. I having nothing against the brother ...[text shortened]... crystal clear to me.
So in the interest of being a human being I think you owe me an apology.
“The discipline of Jehovah . . . do not reject.”—PROVERBS 3:11.
KING SOLOMON of ancient Israel gives each one of us a good reason to accept discipline from God. “The discipline of Jehovah, O my son, do not reject,” says Solomon, “and do not abhor his reproof, because the one whom Jehovah loves he reproves, even as a father does a son in whom he finds pleasure.” (Proverbs 3:11, 12) Yes, your heavenly Father disciplines you because he loves you.
“Discipline” refers to chastisement, correction, instruction, and education. “No discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but grievous,” wrote the apostle Paul, “yet afterward to those who have been trained by it it yields peaceable fruit, namely, righteousness.” (Hebrews 12:11) Accepting and applying divine discipline can help you to pursue a righteous course and thus bring you closer to the holy God, Jehovah. (Psalm 99:5) Correction may come by way of fellow believers, through things learned at Christian meetings, and from your study of God’s Word and the publications of “the faithful steward.” (Luke 12:42-44) How thankful you can be when something needing adjustment is thus brought to your attention!
Repentance Makes a Difference
Most who sin seriously are truly repentant and are not disfellowshipped from the congregation. Of course, genuine repentance does not necessarily come easily. Consider Israel’s King David, who composed Psalm 32. That song reveals that for a time David did not confess his serious sins, likely involving Bath-sheba. The result was that anguish over his sins depleted his vigor, just as summer’s dry heat saps moisture from a tree. David suffered physically and mentally, but when he ‘confessed his transgressions, Jehovah pardoned him.’ (Psalm 32:3-5) Then David sang: “Happy is the man to whose account Jehovah does not put error.” (Psalm 32:1, 2) How wonderful it was to experience God’s mercy!
Clearly, then, a sinner must be repentant if he is to receive mercy. However, neither shame nor fear of exposure is repentance. “To repent” means “to change one’s mind” with regard to bad conduct, because of regret. A repentant person has “a heart broken and crushed” and wants to ‘right the wrong’ if possible.—Psalm 51:17; 2 Corinthians 7:11.
Repentance is a very important factor in connection with reinstatement into the Christian congregation. A disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed. Before he can be reinstated, his heart condition must undergo a great change. He must come to realize the gravity of his sin and the reproach he brought upon Jehovah and the congregation. The sinner must repent, pray earnestly for forgiveness, and conform to God’s righteous requirements. When requesting reinstatement, he should be able to give evidence that he has repented and is producing “works that befit repentance.”—Acts 26:20.
23 Dec 14
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Originally posted by galveston75I think you will find beauroberts has little interest in your religion's direction anymore. His sad experience of your loving congregation and yours and roigam's behaviour in this thread has been an excellent example of the unpleasant nature of the Jehovah's Witness religion.
That question was not directed to you......
“The discipline of Jehovah . . . do not reject.”—PROVERBS 3:11.
KING SOLOMON of ancient Israel gives each one of us a good reason to accept discipline from God. “The discipline of Jehovah, O my son, do not reject,” says Solomon, “and do not abhor his reproof, because the one whom Jehovah loves he rep ...[text shortened]... o give evidence that he has repented and is producing “works that befit repentance.”—Acts 26:20.
23 Dec 14
Originally posted by galveston75If they did try to split up beauroberts' family by getting his wife to move out and taking his children away from him, do you think the elders involved should have been disfellowshipped for their actions for any of the reasons laid out in your long copy paste above?
That question was not directed to you......
“The discipline of Jehovah . . . do not reject.”—PROVERBS 3:11.
KING SOLOMON of ancient Israel gives each one of us a good reason to accept discipline from God. “The discipline of Jehovah, O my son, do not reject,” says Solomon, “and do not abhor his reproof, because the one whom Jehovah loves he rep ...[text shortened]... o give evidence that he has repented and is producing “works that befit repentance.”—Acts 26:20.