Originally posted by chaney3I've answered this already in several posts, some with scripture references, please reply to those posts.
I asked a simple question.
Does Jesus not answer prayer because He is not willing?
Would you like to respond, or play more games?
In the meantime, if you are just pissed and already run out of ideas, then goodnight.
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Originally posted by chaney3There are two reasons why prayers are not answered.
I asked a simple question.
Does Jesus not answer prayer because He is not willing?
Would you like to respond, or play more games?
The person praying is asking for foolishness.
The person praying is unrighteous/God does not like that person.
Originally posted by chaney3Why do you keep focusing on the mythology about Jesus rather than the gospel according to Jesus? The words spoken by Jesus while He walked the Earth are the foundation for the "treasure".
Mark 1:40-45 tells the story of Jesus healing the man with leprosy. What's interesting about this account is in the way the man asked his question. He didn't just ask to be healed, he asked Jesus if He was 'willing' to heal him.
It's clear that God and/or Jesus can heal us....but are they willing to?
Any comments?
Matthew 6
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20“But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 22“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23“But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
Matthew 7
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
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Originally posted by checkbaiterGood thoughts. Amen to this.
I think what speaks loudly here is the big "if" in the man's question. He knew Jesus had the power to heal him but did Jesus love him enough to heal him?
The question was answered as Jesus "touched" him.
Some commentaries say Jesus embraced him.
To better understand, you have to realize that a leper is not to be touched in any way.
They, by law, we ...[text shortened]... es, Jesus was willing to heal him.
Oh, and yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever!
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Originally posted by Rajk999Good verses in Ephesians. But they meant nothing to your argument.
What you make of this lecture from Paul to Christian Saints:
[i]Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given himself for us an offering
and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
let it not be once named among you, ...[text shortened]... l disobedient Christian Saints
6. Anyone that preaches a DO NOTHING doctrine is a fool.
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Did I say anything I shared makes untrue any of those exhortations ?
Take note and stop preaching false doctrines.
If you continue you will be in a very bad position .. a position worse off than an atheist.
Before additional nonsensical threat to me -
How many churches have been raised up as a result of your teaching and life example ?
You seem to think that you are more qualified to be listened to than some other brothers I follow.
Originally posted by sonshipYou appear to be extremely narcissist. That is a serious condition which requires help. Go check the meaning of that word and get some professional help. Nobody is here to start a church or have people follow their teachings and example, except you. You must be a mental case and not right in your head to be doing that on a chat forum.
Good verses in [b]Ephesians. But they meant nothing to your argument.
Did I say anything I shared makes untrue any of those exhortations ?
Take note and stop preaching false doctrines.
If you continue you will be in a very bad position .. a position worse off than an atheist.
Before additional nonsensical threat to me - ...[text shortened]... u seem to think that you are more qualified to be listened to than some other brothers I follow.[/b]
Your claim was that Jesus does not cast anyone out of the church but instead Jesus heals the Christian Saints, and you quoted a part of Ephesians 6 to prove your point. Hence my quote from Ephesians 5 whiich says that Christian Saints who live sinful lives will be cast out of the Kingdom of God, nothing about healing anybody. You appear not to know this so I drew it to your attention.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont want you or anyone to look up to me.
Sounds humble.
But you start new threads around here more than most posters.
Are you sure that you don't want anyone to look up to you?
The fact that you could make such a statement means that you are a needy person.
I never said I was not a needy person.
God in Christ and in the Body of Christ is more than enough to meet my personal needs.
Maybe what you meant was I need to be "a totally independent person".
Maybe what you really mean is I need to be "an isolated and individualistic person."
If I come across anyone that looks up to me I will surely set them straight.
You teach some bad things mixing grace and law keeping.
The whole book of Galatians was written for your kind of misunderstanding of the new covenant.
And as for Mr Lees churches. numbers mean nothing.
Mr. Lee (Brother Witness Lee) has no churches. The churches raised up because of the benefit of his ministry never and never would bear his name or any other name.
That was the whole idea behind the local church. It belongs to the locality.
This is plainly covered in many places, including the book "The Practical Expression of the Church" by Witness Lee.
It is also covered in "The Genuine Ground of Oneness" - same author.
In fact the truth of Christ is for the chosen few on the narrow way leading to eternal life, not for the masses on the broad way leading to damnation.
And you are brimming over with all kinds of self confidence that you can follow Jesus better than the Christians who post here. Practically every thread you start has that flavor - that no one knows what he is doing to follow Jesus but Rajk999.
I bet Satan has more followers ... maybe he is competing with Satan with that false doctrine pretending to follow Christ.
You can't point out any false doctrine I taught here or that Witness Lee's ministry passed on to me. You may have some things you disagree with.
You are unable to indicate falsehood in anything I wrote here.
I think I may start a thread on "Proper Christians to Follow".
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Originally posted by Rajk999
You appear to be extremely narcissist. That is a serious condition which requires help. Go check the meaning of that word and get some professional help. Nobody is here to start a church or have people follow their teachings and example, except you. You must be a mental case and not right in your head to be doing that on a chat forum.
In this thread we have been talking about the willingness of Jesus to heal (physically).
My contribution so far has mainly been to say there are other forms of healing besides physical.
You objected.
I think you lost the case in your objection.
Soooo, here we go again - "You're following a man!! You're a false teacher. You're narcistic. etc. etc. "
Slanders. Don't be mad that we could WELL express Christ's salvation of non-material parts of our being as healings. That is the point. If you meant to refute it - you failed so far.
Now, since I am following a false teacher, and the word says we know the true prophets by their fruits, what are yours in terms of churches established because of your ministry ?
Why don't you just say - NONE ?
The answer "NONE" would cast some dispersion on you slandering a servant of Christ like Witness Lee. So you won't tell the simple truth.
Comparison wise there is plenty of ground to suspect that Witness Lee ministered the new covenant economy much more effectively than Rajk999.
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Your claim was that Jesus does not cast anyone out of the church but instead Jesus heals the Christian Saints, and you quoted a part of Ephesians 6 to prove your point.
My comment was to be understood in this way - the Christians warned about not inheriting the kingdom of God in Ephesians 5:5 represent defeated rather than overcoming saints. They are abnormal in relation to the kingdom of God.
There is some overlap of the church and the kingdom. But there is some distinction. And Paul's exhortation there was not that they were no longer members of the church.
His exhortation was that they needed to overcome these maladies so as to be qualified to inherit the kingdom of God - particularly when Christ returns and establishes the millennial kingdom.
"For this you realize, knowing that every fornicator or unclean person or greedy person (who is an idolater) has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let not one deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; etc. etc." See (Eph. 5:5-7)
As church-ing believers in the new covenant, they should surely be sanctified. There should be a difference wrought into their lives which sets them apart from the surrounding worldly people.
Nothing I wrote about Christ "healing" the soul as well as the body, negates any of these exhortations. In fact the warning establish what I wrote.
Hence my quote from Ephesians 5 whiich says that Christian Saints who live sinful lives will be cast out of the Kingdom of God, nothing about healing anybody. You appear not to know this so I drew it to your attention.
You're saying what I just said about them not being able to participate in the kingdom of Christ and God. I've written to these verses before.
It doesn't say they lose eternal life.
It doesn't say they lose eternal redemption.
It doesn't say they are no longer constituents of the universal church.
The above three facts YOU take as me encouraging Christians not to be sanctified.
But that is just your kind of twisted fanaticism.
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Originally posted by sonshipYou need professional help.
Your claim was that Jesus does not cast anyone out of the church but instead Jesus heals the Christian Saints, and you quoted a part of Ephesians 6 to prove your point.
My comment was to be understood in this way - the Christians warned about not inheriting the kingdom of God in [b]Ephesians 5:5 represent defeated rather than overcom ...[text shortened]... aging Christians not to be sanctified.
But that is just your kind of twisted fanaticism.[/b]
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Originally posted by sonshipYou sound like you are Mrs Lee. .. Mrs Sonship Lee 😀...You appear to be extremely narcissist. That is a serious condition which requires help. Go check the meaning of that word and get some professional help. Nobody is here to start a church or have people follow their teachings and example, except you. You must be a mental case and not right in your head to be doing that on a chat forum.
In ...[text shortened]... suspect that Witness Lee ministered the new covenant economy much more effectively than Rajk999.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
You need professional help.
You need professional help.
How does that change your feeble argument that we cannot think of Christ's work in the immaterial part of man "healing" also ?
How is the failure of your argument effected by any professional help I may need?
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And again. Brother Witness Lee went to the island of Taiwan when the Communist took over Mainland China. He did it out of submission to the wishes of Watchman Nee and his co-workers that what they had accomplished be preserved. They cared that everything they accomplished would not be eradicated by the Communists.
Lee went to Taiwan with about 200 or so other Christians who had been under the ministry of Watchman Nee. They grew in a short time to 30,000.
You've been used of God to accomplish something similar perhaps ??
NO, I don't mean that numbers tells everything.
Joel Olsteen has many followers.
But what he teaches is no where as spiritually healthy as Witness Lee's messages.
So back to the exhortation of Hebrews
"Remember the ones leading you, who have spoken to you the word of God, and considering THE ISSUE OF THEIR MANNER OF LIFE, imitate their faith." (Heb. 13:7)
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Originally posted by Rajk999What you intend to be as a shame to me, I consider a compliment.
You sound like you are Mrs Lee. .. Mrs Sonship Lee 😀...
You never read it maybe. Its in the New Testament.
"Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord nor of me His prisoner; but suffer evil with the gospel according to the power of God." (1 Timothy 1:8)
Besides, Brother Witness Lee has gone to be with the Lord since 1997. You'll have to find someone else to blame now for the continued spread of the ministry he had to preach the gospel and establish local churches.