Spirituality
24 Aug 12
02 Sep 12
Originally posted by FMFWhat in the heck does any of this matter to you? The thread is not whether he speaks 10 words of a language or a thousand. The whole issue here with this thread in the falseness of the trinity and the more then enough evidence that RJH's Bible writers have done some sly changing of the scriptures to fit their trinity doctrine.
Well you said you were there for only 2 years. Are you now going to say it was longer than that?
If you want to discuss languages and who can speak them to a suffecient amount to make you happy that they just might know a thing or two about it, go for it and start your own thread but stop highjacking threads as you seem to have a fetish for doing....
02 Sep 12
Originally posted by galveston75On this thread, discussing this topic, robbie has claimed that he reads and writes Greek and Urdu "on the same basis" as English. Does the way he has responded to me confronting him on these claims make you think that his claims are true and that he is at ease with himself having made them?
What in the heck does any of this matter to you?
02 Sep 12
So a couple easy questions for the trinitarians....
If the teaching of the trinity was taught by Jesus and his followers, it is something that naturally should have been taught by "ALL" his followers after Jesus and the apostles died away, why didn't all the Christians up to the Nicaea event not already believe it? It should have been the already standing belief with no questions asked.
Why did it have to be basically forced into the church to make it a doctrine? It should have already been there from Jesus all along.
So the second question is, it obviously wasn't a wide spread belief of those christians up to Nicaea, so what groups of Christians had this belief and which christians didn't?
Originally posted by galveston75You should read up on this from an authoritative source on the history of the Church and that does not include literature published by the Watchtower Society and other false cults who wish to change history to suit their dogma.
So a couple easy questions for the trinitarians....
If the teaching of the trinity was taught by Jesus and his followers, it is something that naturally should have been taught by "ALL" his followers after Jesus and the apostles died away, why didn't all the Christians up to the Nicaea event not already believe it? It should have been the already sta ans up to Nicaea, so what groups of Christians had this belief and which christians didn't?
02 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThe best authoritative source is the Bible in which God states on numerous occaisions "I am ONE" and never, not once, "I am THREE".
You should read up on this from an authoritative source on the history of the Church and that does not include literature published by the Watchtower Society and other false cults who wish to change history to suit their dogma.
Furthermore Jesus never once talked about a "triune" complexity of the Godhead and as you well know the word "trinity" nor it's teaching, is anywhere - I repeat anywhere in the Bible.
Carry on though.
02 Sep 12
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Originally posted by galveston75Excuse me? Is this more of this "you don't believe as I do, therefore you're not a Christian" mumbo-jumbo?
The whole issue here with this thread in the falseness of the trinity and the more then enough evidence that RJH's Bible writers have done some sly changing of the scriptures to fit their trinity doctrine.
My faith ascribes to the King James Bible. So did the JWs, before they contracted out to have their own translation published. Nothing, I say nothing, you can say or do will convince me that your NWT has authority over the KJV. I would sooner believe that it was the writers of the NWT that were involved in some, how you say, sly changing of the scriptures to fit their doctrine. I'm sure RJH would agree.
That does NOT make us not Christian. No matter what you say.
02 Sep 12
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Originally posted by SuzianneYes, that is at least one thing I agree with you on. They did use the KJV at first and then supplemented it with the ASV. Then they plagerized the combination of these two versions in producing the NWT that they still later had to change many other things that they missed changing in there original version in order to agree with their erroneous and twisted theology. I studied with them along time ago, so I know all about them and their dirty deeds of deception, indictrination, and propaganda.
Excuse me? Is this more of this "you don't believe as I do, therefore you're not a Christian" mumbo-jumbo?
My faith ascribes to the King James Bible. So did the JWs, before they contracted out to have their own translation published. Nothing, I say nothing, you can say or do will convince me that your NWT has authority over the KJV. I would so re RJH would agree.
That does NOT make us not Christian. No matter what you say.
03 Sep 12
Originally posted by SuzianneNo I never said that. Don't confuse me with RJH. And the truth can be found in every Bible but ine has to look at all the surrounding scriptures throughout the entire Bible. 'TEST SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE'
Excuse me? Is this more of this "you don't believe as I do, therefore you're not a Christian" mumbo-jumbo?
My faith ascribes to the King James Bible. So did the JWs, before they contracted out to have their own translation published. Nothing, I say nothing, you can say or do will convince me that your NWT has authority over the KJV. I would so ...[text shortened]... re RJH would agree.
That does NOT make us not Christian. No matter what you say.
And that completely applies to the trinity. If ones change just a word here or there to "suggest" a trinity but the entire rest of the bible not only does not support it but actually contradicts it just as this scripture says clearly:
Isaiah 46:9
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 Remember what happened long ago;
acknowledge that I alone am God
and that there is no one else like me.
it can't be a truth such as the trinity.
Again as has been mentioned, there was thousands of times that not even one of the writers of the Bible ever mentioned a trinity of our God but never even once did his own "Son" slightly allude to that idea. All his statements of him being like God was simple him saying if you've seen me, you have seen my Father just as an ambassodor would comment about his king or president.
PS if you haven't noticed just for arguements sake, I never quote in my answers from the NWT. It's used in my pastings but not in these personal comments.
03 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsWell believe it or not I do read liturature from many sources just as the WTS does. Maybe this is how we do know what other religions believe?
You should read up on this from an authoritative source on the history of the Church and that does not include literature published by the Watchtower Society and other false cults who wish to change history to suit their dogma.
03 Sep 12
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Originally posted by galveston75The following is Isaiah 46:9 from the Hebrew Interliner Bible with the strong's number:
No I never said that. Don't confuse me with RJH. And the truth can be found in every Bible but ine has to look at all the surrounding scriptures throughout the entire Bible. 'TEST SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE'
And that completely applies to the trinity. If ones change just a word here or there to "suggest" a trinity but the entire rest of the bible not on my answers from the NWT. It's used in my pastings but not in these personal comments.
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http://interlinearbible.org/isaiah/46-9.htm
Notice that it says nothing about God being alone
Also remember elohim is the plural form of God..
The following is a more readable translation:
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
(Isaiah 46:9 NASB)
P.S. There is no other God that is a trinity of 3 persons in 1 God. A plural God of one. What other God is like that? You can't even understand a God like that, can you? How could a plural God of 3 persons be alone? There is no word in the Hebrew text that can be translated "alone" so it is not saying this is one lonely God.
03 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsWell it doesn't say he is green with pink strips either does it? Man you are really streatching it now aren't you. Very intertaining to say the least. keep em coming...
The following is Isaiah 46:9 from the Hebrew Interliner Bible with the strong's number:
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http://interlinea ...[text shortened]... God of one. What other God is like that? You can't even understand a God like that, can you?
03 Sep 12
Originally posted by galveston75I am just setting you straight by providing the truth to you. It is right there in the Holy Bible for all to see.
Well it doesn't say he is green with pink strips either does it? Man you are really streatching it now aren't you. Very intertaining to say the least. keep em coming...
03 Sep 12
Romans 8:29-30
Good News Translation (GNT)
29 Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers. 30 And so those whom God set apart, he called; and those he called, he put right with himself, and he shared his glory with them.
Could a trinitairian please explain this scripture for me?