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@fmf saidTo the person who believed in angels.
"Provide to" whom??
Fred might believe his neighbour Dave has 3 ears. At this point he is just incorrect and maybe misconstrued something as a third ear. If he is then shown Dave close up so that he could inspect him (along with his normal 2 ears) and despite seeing this conclusive evidence, continued to believe Dave had 3 ears, then he could be described as delusional.
For the vast majority of us, we often believe incorrect things to be true. (Whether that be ghosts exist, or the moon landing was a conspiracy). These are not delusions. They are based on incorrect information or misunderstandings etc.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidSo to your way of thinking a person’s account meeting of a supernatural being is not delusional unless the supernatural being is capable of defying gravity either with or without the use of wings?
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Dive believes in angels. I think he is wrong about this but not deluded.
If he recounted a story of meeting an angel in human form, I would not automatically judge him delusional. I would ask follow up questions looking for an alternative explanation.
If Dive recounted meeting a flying angel with wings I would probably think something else was going on and advise him to speak to somebody about it.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhy?
To the person who believed in angels
I'm not asking them to not believe in angels. Nor am I asking them to agree that they are deluded.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidOf course I do. It's their prerogative.
As long as you accept that a theist might view you as delusional yourself for not believing in what they believe.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell you’ve certainly called me delusional on occasion during our various arguments about stuff.
I haven't referred to theists as deluded. Indeed, I have been on the receiving end of being called deluded for not believing in God and for believing we evolved as a species. (Step forward Kelly, Sonship etc). I have said some Christians believe in fairy tales, which I guess questions their ability to assess things rationally.
But this was the gist of my post:
“Maybe you haven’t had the opportunity or lack either the honesty or depth of relationship to be able to do so”
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf this is your truthful opinion after a “25 year career path” working in mental health, then so be it… you can’t see the difference in levels of delusion. I can see why you aren’t qualified in your field.
Both Dive and Suzianne believe angels exist. It therefore follows that both believe an encounter with angels is possible and not a product of delusions.
Is your back tracking now the claim that both Suzianne and Dive are delusional, but Dive less so?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don't think it's meaningless at all. Suzianne has called me delusional dozens of times. I doubt that it is meaningless to her that she expresses this opinion.
This being the case, we are all delusional in somebody's eyes rendering the whole conversation about who is and isn't delusional quite meaningless..
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat are on about now!?
But you have left Dive sitting on the curb saying, "I'm not hurt, I'm not hurt."
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou don’t think there are different types and levels of delusion?
It destroys your theory of varying levels of delusion.
Why not bring it up in one of your “dreaded team meetings” with those qualified, whom you support.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidDelusions can be caused by incorrect information and misunderstandings. A person can honestly believe they are right and be deluded. Indeed, being sure they are right is part of it.
These are not delusions. They are based on incorrect information or misunderstandings etc.
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@divegeester saidMeeting a kind human being and mistaking them for an angel (due to a pre-existing belief in angels) is at a level than can reasoned with, but claiming to have seen a flying angel with wings is not something that can easily be accounted for by way of alternative explanation. (Other than being a real angel, which I don't believe exists).
So to your way of thinking a person’s account meeting of a supernatural being is not delusional unless the supernatural being is capable of defying gravity either with or without the use of wings?
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@divegeester saidI don't think I have. It's on a list of words I try and avoid.
Well you’ve certainly called me delusional on occasion during our various arguments about stuff.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIn other words, different levels of delusion.
Meeting a kind human being and mistaking them for an angel (due to a pre-existing belief in angels) is at a level than can reasoned with, but claiming to have seen a flying angel with wings is not something that can easily be accounted for by way of alternative explanation. (Other than being a real angel, which I don't believe exists).
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidMistaking a kind person as being supernatural angel is not delusional?
Meeting a kind human being and mistaking them for an angel (due to a pre-existing belief in angels) is at a level than can reasoned with, but claiming to have seen a flying angel with wings is not something that can easily be accounted for by way of alternative explanation. (Other than being a real angel, which I don't believe exists).