Jesus Lied . For The Bible Tells Me So .

@fmf said
"Provide to" whom??

To the person who believed in angels.

Fred might believe his neighbour Dave has 3 ears. At this point he is just incorrect and maybe misconstrued something as a third ear. If he is then shown Dave close up so that he could inspect him (along with his normal 2 ears) and despite seeing this conclusive evidence, continued to believe Dave had 3 ears, then he could be described as delusional.

For the vast majority of us, we often believe incorrect things to be true. (Whether that be ghosts exist, or the moon landing was a conspiracy). These are not delusions. They are based on incorrect information or misunderstandings etc.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
To the person who believed in angels

Why?

I'm not asking them to not believe in angels. Nor am I asking them to agree that they are deluded.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
As long as you accept that a theist might view you as delusional yourself for not believing in what they believe.

Of course I do. It's their prerogative.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This being the case, we are all delusional in somebody's eyes rendering the whole conversation about who is and isn't delusional quite meaningless..

I don't think it's meaningless at all. Suzianne has called me delusional dozens of times. I doubt that it is meaningless to her that she expresses this opinion.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
These are not delusions. They are based on incorrect information or misunderstandings etc.

Delusions can be caused by incorrect information and misunderstandings. A person can honestly believe they are right and be deluded. Indeed, being sure they are right is part of it.

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Meeting a kind human being and mistaking them for an angel (due to a pre-existing belief in angels) is at a level than can reasoned with, but claiming to have seen a flying angel with wings is not something that can easily be accounted for by way of alternative explanation. (Other than being a real angel, which I don't believe exists).

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I don't think I have. It's on a list of words I try and avoid.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Meeting a kind human being and mistaking them for an angel (due to a pre-existing belief in angels) is at a level than can reasoned with, but claiming to have seen a flying angel with wings is not something that can easily be accounted for by way of alternative explanation. (Other than being a real angel, which I don't believe exists).

In other words, different levels of delusion.