John 3:16 (belief)

@kellyjay said
I care as much about a pure mouth profession only as you do, it is meaningless. I also think religious work can be meaningless as well, and there are more than likely many people who think they are doing 'good works' by doing their religious duty, but are not in Christ, and Christ in them. So their works will be good, but the words they will hearing are going to be, "Depart ...[text shortened]... ey in God, that is exactly what everyone else will hear too relying on anything but God's salvation.

Get some help. You make no sense

@rajk999 said
Do you ever have anything of substance to add to any discussion? You are the kind of woman that led Paul to say that women should shut up when men are discussing bible matters. Go do some laundry instead of annoying people.

Jesus respected women, and would likely require you to do the same.

Unless doing good works voids that?
You see the hypocrisy in your words?

@chaney3 said
Jesus respected women, and would likely require you to do the same.

Unless doing good works voids that?
You see the hypocrisy in your words?

What has she added of value to the discussion ? Do you know that Paul said that women must keep silence? How exactly is that a sign of disrespect?

She is disrespecting others who are participating in this discussion by her insulting snide remarks. You need to focus on the bible and stop discussing her every time you come on this forum.

@rajk999 said
What has she added of value to the discussion ? Do you know that Paul said that women must keep silence? How exactly is that a sign of disrespect?

She is disrespecting others who are participating in this discussion by her insulting snide remarks. You need to focus on the bible and stop discussing her every time you come on this forum.

Actually, it's you who needs to focus on the bible.

You seem to think that if you feed the poor, you can then "not believe" in Jesus, while you are putting down women.

You don't view the whole picture, just the parts you want to see.

@rajk999 said
What has she added of value to the discussion ? Do you know that Paul said that women must keep silence? How exactly is that a sign of disrespect?

She is disrespecting others who are participating in this discussion by her insulting snide remarks. You need to focus on the bible and stop discussing her every time you come on this forum.

Is disrespecting others wrong, really and your mouth is one that does that?

@chaney3 said
Actually, it's you who needs to focus on the bible.

You seem to think that if you feed the poor, you can then "not believe" in Jesus, while you are putting down women.

You don't view the whole picture, just the parts you want to see.

Says the man who thinks John 3:16 is the whole doctrine of Christ.

@rajk999 said
Says the man who thinks John 3:16 is the whole doctrine of Christ.

It is the why, not the whole.

There is the God's gift, His saving grace through faith, and there is the wrath of God.
That in a nut shell is the whole.

@rajk999 said
Says the man who thinks John 3:16 is the whole doctrine of Christ.

What I am saying is that "belief" is the starting point.

You have a problem with "belief" in Jesus because you don't think it's necessary or required. You preach the bible, but skip the parts about "belief", which seems absurd.

One must first believe in God, then read His word, then act upon the teachings.

@rajk999 said
Do you ever have anything of substance to add to any discussion? You are the kind of woman that led Paul to say that women should shut up when men are discussing bible matters. Go do some laundry instead of annoying people.

My making you uncomfortable enough to question why you said certain things IS the point of what I wrote.

Since you have no conscience, that explains why you appear 'bulletproof' to such criticism. And also why no one should take you seriously.

Still waiting for your witness, Mr. "Do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do". Tell us exactly WHY we should give any gravitas to what you say, backed up as it is with nothing. You could provide your testimony and validate everything you say. Instead you turn your back. This, in fact, INvalidates everything you say.

Too bad, too. You seem to have the right message, but I see no proof that you walk the walk. You do not even have the integrity to back up ANYthing you say. You are a completely horrible spokesman for Christianity. It's like Charles Manson getting up in my face about Jesus. Sorry, not believing him, either.

Oh, yeah, and your blatant sexism doesn't help your case, either. Apparently, women are the last people that should "sit down and shut up" about actual, living-it-day-to-day Christianity. The men sure ain't getting it done.

@chaney3 said
What I am saying is that "belief" is the starting point.

You have a problem with "belief" in Jesus because you don't think it's necessary or required. You preach the bible, but skip the parts about "belief", which seems absurd.

One must first believe in God, then read His word, then act upon the teachings.

Believe, repent, seek Him and read His Word, love. There is more to following Jesus than just reading His Word.

@kellyjay said
It is the why, not the whole.

There is the God's gift, His saving grace through faith, and there is the wrath of God.
That in a nut shell is the whole.

Come on, KJ.

You cannot speak of the "whole", without works.

Even you have to admit that works have their place. Without works, even fervent faith is "like the sound of one hand clapping". Works proves to others that Christianity IS the right road, not only for the believer, but for everyone. Works is "where the rubber meets the road". Works is the final proof that what we believe and what we tell others matters. It's "putting our money where our mouth is." Literally. Works is the candle, not hidden under the barrel, but on top of the barrel, where it can provide the most light. Works is our one great testimony that no one can disprove.

Just saying that "we care about our neighbor" isn't enough. We are tasked with "loving our neighbor even as we love ourselves". This means, quite simply, and quite obviously, that we must do something about it. You've heard it said that "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Works is the answer to "good intentions". We must "get off the stick, and make it happen".

Even so, we must be careful not to do the works just because we feel this will get us the brownie points. We must do them out of "love for our neighbor", not because we anticipate something in return.

And one last thing, if I may. This commandment to "love our neighbor" which is the basis for doing good works, is not the first and greatest commandment. As you know, the first and greatest commandment is to "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." All the basis for our works must be the result of wanting to do God's will because we love him, first and foremost. And the works we choose to do are done out of the love we have for our neighbor as a result of wanting to do God's will.

Pardon the sermon. Pardon the soapbox. I do not mean to take you to task over this. It's just my answer to some other sanctimonious-ness I see in this forum every day. I had to speak up.

@suzianne said
Come on, KJ.

You cannot speak of the "whole", without works.

Even you have to admit that works have their place. Without works, even fervent faith is "like the sound of one hand clapping". Works proves to others that Christianity IS the right road, not only for the believer, but for everyone. Works is "where the rubber meets the road". Works is the final pro ...[text shortened]... s just my answer to some other sanctimonious-ness I see in this forum every day. I had to speak up.

I'm not suggesting there isn't works, when I talk about loving God and man that is doing works. When we do that we care for those around us, we will being doing good works fulfilling needs, feeding, visiting, making others apart of our lives.

When we put God first that stops us from being selective on who, how we are to do our good works for we can make no distinction of these we like those we don't. He has us loving everyone regardless of who they are, what they have done as He has done.

Where I part ways with those who are all about works, is that it can become the way for them to say or think they are better than anyone else, not true. If Jesus is our righteousness it is because we trust in Him for His salvation, I cannot make Him love me more than He does.

The thing is, it is God's salvation, not ours, when we do all the things we are supposed to do like repent, and do good works it is from the place of already being justified in Christ, not to get justified in Christ.

While we were yet sinners He died for us.

@suzianne said
Come on, KJ.

You cannot speak of the "whole", without works.

Even you have to admit that works have their place. Without works, even fervent faith is "like the sound of one hand clapping". Works proves to others that Christianity IS the right road, not only for the believer, but for everyone. Works is "where the rubber meets the road". Works is the final pro ...[text shortened]... s just my answer to some other sanctimonious-ness I see in this forum every day. I had to speak up.

I should have added repentance and works there, your right, my bad.

@chaney3 said
What I am saying is that "belief" is the starting point.

You have a problem with "belief" in Jesus because you don't think it's necessary or required. You preach the bible, but skip the parts about "belief", which seems absurd.

One must first believe in God, then read His word, then act upon the teachings.

I see you started going to church. Well thats the end of you. From here on its downhill.

Just bear the words of Christ n mind when your church starts to show you their true colours. Take for example the words of Christ when he started his ministry. The longest sermon, in Matt 5, 6 and 7 Jesus speaks at length about what it is that is required of people to get eternal life and who it is that are allowed to enter the Kingdom of God. There is no mention of faith or belief There is a long discussion about good works and righteousness. Again on judgment day described in Matt 25. Nothing on faith or belief. Its all about good works and righteousness.

Why? The truth about faith is that it is meant to be a vehicle that motivates and guides people towards righteousness. The end result of true living faith is good works and righteousness. Some people do it without faith. People before Christ were doing it without knowing of Christ or God. Read Romans 2.

The bible doctrine is wide enough to include all kinds of people. The defining characteristic of all who enter the Kingdom of God IS a life of good works and righteousness. Those who miss that basic point from Christ are truly lost, and that includes many Christian churches.

@suzianne said
My making you uncomfortable enough to question why you said certain things IS the point of what I wrote.

Since you have no conscience, that explains why you appear 'bulletproof' to such criticism. And also why no one should take you seriously.

Still waiting for your witness, Mr. "Do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do". Tell us exactly WHY we should give any gravitas to what you sa ...[text shortened]... n and shut up" about actual, living-it-day-to-day Christianity. The men sure ain't getting it done.

You did not learn your lesson. Some months ago you went on a talking spree and blabbered about your personal life and what you do etc etc. I dont think it went down well for you. It turned into a mess. Keep your witnessing business in the church. It is not meant for a chat forum.

Jesus said to keep your life private. Got it?
I take my advice from HIM.
And I have the right message .. thank you.
But I dont need you to tell me that.

Go in peace.