John 3:16 (belief)

@thinkofone said
Following is my post in its entirety. Reread the sentences in BOLD.

If in fact the gospel in which you believe is in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth as you claim, then you should have no problem citing the passages. Go ahead KJ. Cite them all.

The reason you don't is because you can't. The gospel in which you believe i ...[text shortened]... lieve that this is not true, then prove it by citing all the passages that back that up.[/b][/quote]

According to you what is the gospel from the scriptures? I have no issues with declaring it, and I will, but I doubt that you will or can. Instead you will only offer criticism nothing more. You are good at finding faults even when none are there you just don’t defend your stance when questioned.

@kellyjay said
According to you what is the gospel from the scriptures? I have no issues with declaring it, and I will, but I doubt that you will or can. Instead you will only offer criticism nothing more. You are good at finding faults even when none are there you just don’t defend your stance when questioned.

C'mon KJ. You asked that question as way to avoid addressing the following:

Yes. In accordance with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth, the words spoken by Him are in "complete harmony" with God's words. It also makes logical sense that the spirit of truth would be in "complete harmony" with both Jesus and God.

The problem is that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

For example, the concept that no one is able to make themselves righteous is NOT part of the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth. If you believe that this is not true, then prove it by citing all the passages that back that up.

Now either back it up or admit that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

@ThinkOfOne

Now either back it up or admit that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

After many confirming years my sense is that Kellyjay is far more likely in harmony with the Gospel then the things you stealth-fully push off here are. That is as you're ducking and dodging YOUR most egregious contradictions to the Gospels.

Why else do you have to skillfully conceal your contempt for the central gospel message of Christ's resurrection in words like "Jesus as He walked the earth" ?

I think everyone has long understood that that is your euphemism for DISHARMONY with the four Gospels that He rose and lives.

@sonship said
@ThinkOfOne

Now either back it up or admit that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

After many confirming years my sense is that Kellyjay is far more likely in harmony with the Gospel then the things you stealth-fully push off here are. That is as you're ducking and ...[text shortened]... understood that that is your euphemism for DISHARMONY with the four Gospels that He rose and lives.

Since you evidently didn't understand my post, I'll explain it to you.

Following is what I posted:

The problem is that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

For example, the concept that no one is able to make themselves righteous is NOT part of the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth. If you believe that this is not true, then prove it by citing all the passages that back that up.

The second sentence cites an example of how the gospel in which KJ (and the majority of Christians for that matter) believes is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

We'll see if KJ stops his disingenuous dodging and is able to cite any passages. Do you know of any passages from the gospel preached by Jesus when He walked the Earth where He says that no one is able to make themselves righteous?

@thinkofone said
C'mon KJ. You asked that question as way to avoid addressing the following:
[quote]Yes. In accordance with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth, the words spoken by Him are in "complete harmony" with God's words. It also makes logical sense that the spirit of truth would be in "complete harmony" with both Jesus and God.

[b]The problem is that the gos ...[text shortened]... ou believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

You have views uncommon to many so what you call the gospel you will have to define. The Jesus you refer to I guess is no longer with us, since you limit your conversation about just the time He walked the earth.

@kellyjay said
You have views uncommon to many so what you call the gospel you will have to define. The Jesus you refer to I guess is no longer with us, since you limit your conversation about just the time He walked the earth.

Since you refuse to engage in reasoned discussion, I guess I'll have to take it that you know of no passages from the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth wherein He stated that no one is able to make themselves righteous. Based on that the logical conclusion is that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth and that you lack the maturity and integrity to admit it.

@thinkofone said
Since you refuse to engage in reasoned discussion, I guess I'll have to take it that you know of no passages from the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth wherein He stated that no one is able to make themselves righteous.

'Righteous' = Very good; excellent.

'And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.' (Mark 10:18)

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'Righteous' = Very good; excellent.

'And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.' (Mark 10:18)

Jesus also referred to those who did good works, the sheep of Matt 25, as righteous and they were rewarded with eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

Clearly then 'good' in the sense Jesus used it in Mark 10:18, meant good to the point of perfection. Only God presumably is that good. Nobody is expected to be perfect in that sense otherwise nobody gets into the Kingdom of God. Nobody becomes perfect or righteous either by professing faith in Christ

People become righteous and people are allowed to enter the Kingdom of God based on their good works as Jesus said half a dozen times.

@rajk999 said
Jesus also referred to those who did good works, the sheep of Matt 25, as righteous and they were rewarded with eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

Clearly then 'good' in the sense Jesus used it in Mark 10:18, meant good to the point of perfection. Only God presumably is that good. Nobody is expected to be perfect in that sense otherwise nobody gets into the Kingdom of Go ...[text shortened]... are allowed to enter the Kingdom of God based on their good works as Jesus said half a dozen times.

Unless you are going to suggest that Jesus is saying people who do good works are as equally righteous as God you have missed the point. Everyone is expected to be perfrect which is why none of us can get their on our own. Unless you are abiding in Christ, unless you have Christ, unless you have the Spirit of God within its all just you not God.

Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

John 8:30-32 English Standard Version (ESV)
As he was saying these things, many believed in him.
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 15:6
If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

John 6:27-29 English Standard Version (ESV)
Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Matthew 10:32-34 English Standard Version (ESV)
So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Your doctrine does not line up with all of scripture.

Ephesians 2:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV)
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.

By God's grace we live and work, and it is God who we belong to, we are His workmanship to do good works, but it is His grace and mercy that saves us not our own efforts.

@thinkofone said
Since you refuse to engage in reasoned discussion, I guess I'll have to take it that you know of no passages from the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth wherein He stated that no one is able to make themselves righteous. Based on that the logical conclusion is that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth and that you lack the maturity and integrity to admit it.

So lay it out, have a reasoned discussion show me the correct version of the gospel! I've stated the gospel countless times here, and have done it again in this thread, but you...nothing, na da.

@kellyjay said
Unless you are going to suggest that Jesus is saying people who do good works are as equally righteous as God you have missed the point. Everyone is expected to be perfrect which is why none of us can get their on our own. Unless you are abiding in Christ, unless you have Christ, unless you have the Spirit of God within its all just you not God.

Matthew 5:48
You therefor ...[text shortened]... e His workmanship to do good works, but it is His grace and mercy that saves us not our own efforts.

Who said anyone is getting there on their own.
Is there somewhere I said that?

@rajk999 said
Who said anyone is getting there on their own.
Is there somewhere I said that?

You think Atheist can make it into God's Kingdom?

@rajk999 said
Who said anyone is getting there on their own.
Is there somewhere I said that?

You think anyone can get into God's kingdom just on their works?

@rajk999 said
Who said anyone is getting there on their own.
Is there somewhere I said that?

You think our righteousness without Christ is good enough at anytime?

@kellyjay said
You think our righteousness without Christ is good enough at anytime?

Why do you have three responses to one posts a one minute apart?