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29 Jun 19
I learned the importance of "cell groups" or "vital groups" or "small group meetings". These you should open your home for if you can or arrange for a few fellow believers to meet in homes- smaller unites where support in prayer can more take place.
To break away from churches as Rajk999 suggests should not be to be INDEPENDENT, alone, lone ranger like going it all on your own. This trusting of one or two others in a "vital group" requires forgiveness, humbling, mutuality, agape love.
I don't know for sure if the poster is a born again Christian. Regardless, he would do well to seek some small vital group of another or two seekers to pursue the Lord Jesus together.
Being fiercely self righteous like you are the only faithful one left who knows the truth, is not good.
Being truly spiritual involves being spiritual WITH some other people.
@kellyjay saidStart a thread on what you call the Gospel or the power of the gospel. I will show you that I understand it better than you do.
He can speak for himself but reading much of what he has written over the years he strikes me as someone who sees (truthfully) that some without Christ are without a doubt much more moral (humanly speaking, I agree completely too) than some who profess Christ. I don't think he can reconcile that in truth as he sees it, therefore he misses the truth and power of the gospel completely.
29 Jun 19
@rajk999 saidIt’s not about “personalities” it’s about personal integrity.
I am an ex church Christian. I consider myself a follower of Christ. I am this way because way back in my teens I was uncomfortable with a lot of church stuff which did not mesh well with what I read in the bible particularly what Jesus preached. Some people going through this period [and there are many], turn to other religions or to atheism. I simply backed away from the ...[text shortened]... . But that is a one on one chat and not for the world to see. Jesus said to keep your life private.
If you come to this forum pontificating on the teachings of Christ and criticise other Christians as you do in pretty much every single post you make then you need to either:
a) demonstrate or at least claim that you personally live up to what you are preaching (no details and no “personalities” )
Or
b) stop criticising other Christians!!!
Otherwise you’re bloody hypocrite old chap!
29 Jun 19
@divegeester saidFor as long as I can remember, the thrust of rajk999's posts has been "This is what Jesus says. This is what the apostles say. Follow what Jesus and the apostles say. God will judge." It hasn't been, "Follow my example".
It’s not about “personalities” it’s about personal integrity.
If you come to this forum pontificating on the teachings of Christ and criticise other Christians as you do in pretty much every single post you make then you need to either:
a) demonstrate or at least claim that you personally live up to what you are preaching (no details and no “personalities” )
Or
b) stop criticising other Christians!!!
Otherwise you’re bloody hypocrite old chap!
Seems like you and others keep trying to attack him personally since you can't validly refute the scripture that he puts before you. Scripture that you and others purport to believe.
29 Jun 19
@thinkofone saidThe thrust of his posts, and yours my faking friend, are to criticise other Christians. Rajk999 lambasts Christians in at least 50% of his posts. I have no issue with this per-se but I do have an issue with him doing so and then hiding behind this “no personalities” BS. I also have an issue with people like you are pretend followers of the words of Jesus. However your hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty has long been called out and laid bare in this forum.
For as long as I can remember, the thrust of rajk999's posts has been "This is what Jesus says. This is what the apostles say. Follow what Jesus and the apostles say. God will judge." It hasn't been, "Follow my example".
Seems like you and others keep trying to attack him personally since you can't validly refute the scripture that he puts before you. Scripture that you and others purport to believe.
In fact again today you dodged your favoured question, didn’t you my prince...
@divegeester saidI criticize the DOCTRINE OF OTHER CHRISTIANS. I dont know, neither do I care to know about their personal lives, whether or not they are evil or righteous or otherwise. So I dont criticize Christians, rather I criticize their beliefs. Im entitled to do that in a discussion forum about Christian doctrine. Maybe if you were not attached to their false doctrines you would see what I am saying all these years.
It’s not about “personalities” it’s about personal integrity.
If you come to this forum pontificating on the teachings of Christ and criticise other Christians as you do in pretty much every single post you make then you need to either:
a) demonstrate or at least claim that you personally live up to what you are preaching (no details and no “personalities” )
Or
b) stop criticising other Christians!!!
Otherwise you’re bloody hypocrite old chap!
As for being a .bloody hypocrite', Im in good company. All of the Apostles preached what Jesus preached about good works and righteousness. Nobody enters the Kingdom of God by professions of faith. Nobody become born again and become sons of God by professions of faith. These things only happen after a lifetime of following Christ, and it happens in the end when Jesus returns. I know you believe otherwise. The doctrine of Christ did not change, neither should it be watered down because Paul, John or Me are not able to follow these commandments. God will judge.
That constant questioning you all do about posters actual deeds and lifestyle show that your conscience is guilty.
29 Jun 19
@divegeester saidYou really need to educate yourself on logical fallacies. With you it's just one red herring wrapped in a ad hom after another. And one false accusation after another.
The thrust of his posts, and yours my faking friend, are to criticise other Christians. Rajk999 lambasts Christians in at least 50% of his posts. I have no issue with this per-se but I do have an issue with him doing so and then hiding behind this “no personalities” BS. I also have an issue with people like you are pretend followers of the words of Jesus. However your hyp ...[text shortened]... are in this forum.
In fact again today you dodged your favoured question, didn’t you my prince...
But that's what trolls like you do.
Go ahead DG. Give me a shock. Actually address the content of my post at the top of page 1. Actually it'd give me a shock if any Christian on this forum were to actually address the content that post. Thus far it's been one ad hom after another.
29 Jun 19
@rajk999 saidWhere did Jesus talk about “mouth worshipers”? A phrase you regularly turn to and which was spoken by Isaiah if I’m not mistaken.
I criticize the DOCTRINE OF OTHER CHRISTIANS. I dont know, neither do I care to know about their personal lives, whether or not they are evil or righteous or otherwise. So I dont criticize Christians, rather I criticize their beliefs.
And yes it does matter wether or not you are a follower of Christ or not, because if you are not then you are just a “clanging cymbal” and you would be in fact what Isaiah was taking about...I.e. a person who drew near to god with his MOUTH but not with his HEART.
And that is in the bible!
29 Jun 19
@thinkofone saidAfter thinking about this I believe you are right here about this text, and I am wrong.
The fact of the matter is that the original Greek text of the Bible doesn't assign authorship.
Whether or not you believe this doesn't alter this fact.
Once again you're wrong. Once again you lack the maturity and integrity to admit it.
29 Jun 19
@divegeester saidI said I was a believer and a follower of Christ. What is the problem?
Where did Jesus talk about “mouth worshipers”? A phrase you regularly turn to and which was spoken by Isaiah if I’m not mistaken.
And yes it does matter wether or not you are a follower of Christ or not, because if you are not then you are just a “clanging cymbal” and you would be in fact what Isaiah was taking about...I.e. a person who drew near to god with his MOUTH but not with his HEART.
And that is in the bible!
Mouth worship is the same as lip service.
@divegeester saidAgain how many times do I need to answer.
Tell me Jajk999 we are instructed by Christ to give an account of the gift and faith that is within us, so I’ll ask you the same question the Lord asked Peter, who do you say that Jesus is?
I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.
God sent his son to die for the sins of the world.
Those who believe in Jesus Christ will have eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
To believe in Jesus Christ means following Jesus's commandments.
Failure to follow the commandments of Christ means that belief is dead.
29 Jun 19
@rajk999 saidOk thank you, and appreciated.
I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.
God sent his son to die for the sins of the world.
Those who believe in Jesus Christ will have eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
To believe in Jesus Christ means following Jesus's commandments.
Failure to follow the commandments of Christ means that belief is dead.
29 Jun 19
@divegeester saidOK, I will appreciate a comment on the opening post.
Ok thank you, and appreciated.