29 Jun 19
@thinkofone saidWhile Jesus was on earth he taught and claimed that he was sent by God, was he correct?
It is truly remarkable how far Christianity has drifted from the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
29 Jun 19
@kellyjay saidIs this why you believe the literal truth of the Genesis stories?
You have no idea what faith means if that is what you think. Changing the words to mean what you want so they suit your doctrine, again.
29 Jun 19
@thinkofone saidDo YOU "abide in the words of Jesus"?
John 8
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31...“If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
29 Jun 19
@chaney3 saidJesus answered that question pretty clearly by explaining in detail how the day of judgment will play out
Whoever "believes" in Him.....
Belief involves action. A person's words and actions reflect whether or not they are a Christian, and actually make the effort to follow the teachings and example of Jesus.
Or......is there a different interpretation of what "belief" means?
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:31-36 KJV)
It is all about actions. Professions of faith are useless.
29 Jun 19
@suzianne saidI see you are back with your irrelevant nonsense, and trying to personalize every discussion. If you get off by telling people about yourself and your personal life then go right ahead. However discussions like this should not be tainted with irrelevant personal information. Take your teenage facebook mentality and try another forum where your boasting about yourself is useful. Right now your comments are annoying.
Do YOU "abide in the words of Jesus"?
29 Jun 19
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@rajk999 saidthe point she is making us that both you (and I accept your claim that you are now ex “Christian” )
I see you are back with your irrelevant nonsense, and trying to personalize every discussion. If you get off by telling people about yourself and your personal life then go right ahead. However discussions like this should not be tainted with irrelevant personal information. Take your teenage facebook mentality and try another forum where your boasting about yourself is useful. Right now your comments are annoying.
and thinkofone simply don’t live the version of the gospel of which you preach.
TOO is a faker, I’m not sure about you but if I knew your life then I could be. Hence why you get asked. Saying you don’t want to discuss it is just a dodge as you don’t have to give details you just have to say “yes I state categorically that I live the Christian gospel which I preach”.
Neither of you will though. Which is revealing.
29 Jun 19
@chaney3 saidPersonal information is irrelevant except you think you think this is a Christian Help Group for needy people. If this is what you think this forum is about then by all means submit your personal information or good works or whatever.
Sharing some personal info about what works you're doing seems fine to me. It's easy to "lecture" others about what they should be doing, according to the bible, but the "lecturer" should back it up with some examples.....unless they're living a hypocritical life.
As far as I am concerned this is a discussion forum. We discuss what the bible says or what Christ says about John 3:16 [in this case]. What you do or do not do, or what I do nor do not do does not change what Jesus said. But my all means proceed to share it.
29 Jun 19
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@divegeester saidI am an ex church Christian. I consider myself a follower of Christ. I am this way because way back in my teens I was uncomfortable with a lot of church stuff which did not mesh well with what I read in the bible particularly what Jesus preached. Some people going through this period [and there are many], turn to other religions or to atheism. I simply backed away from the church. I have never backed away from the teachings of Christ neither will I ever.
the point she is making us that both you (and I accept your claim that you are now ex “Christian” )
and thinkofone simply don’t live the version of the gospel of which you preach.
TOO is a faker, I’m not sure about you but if I knew your life then I could be. Hence why you get asked. Saying you don’t want to discuss it is just a dodge as you don’t have to give detai ...[text shortened]... hat I live the Christian gospel which I preach”.
Neither of you will though. Which is revealing.
Whether I or ToO actually follow Christ is of no consequence to this discussion. Personal actions , does not and can not change the teachings of Christ. If you choose to make it an issue then that is your choice. I can have a discussion with anyone including athesists, theives, crooks, child molesters, without ever knowing or asking how they actually live and what they do. But that is just me. Personalities screw up understanding of the bible. The less I know of everybody's personal actions, the better off the discussion goes.
Of course if we are sitting in a bar over a few beers I would enjoy such a conversation, and I will share stories and personal stuff. But that is a one on one chat and not for the world to see. Jesus said to keep your life private.
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I see you enjoy making yourself look stupid.
I do feel stupid talking to you.
However, your wishful thinking dodge aside -
Where do you find "ex church Christian" in the Bible?
Its not there, is it ?
And why are you bragging when it could be that you're just too self centered to have any fellowship with another believer for more than a moment, a moment leading up to your dogmatic toys ?
29 Jun 19
@sonship saidMoron.
@Rajk999
I see you enjoy making yourself look stupid.
I do feel stupid talking to you.
However, your wishful thinking dodge aside -
Where do you find "ex church Christian" in the Bible?
Its not there, is it ?
And why are you bragging when it could be that you're just too self centered to have any fellowship with another believer for more than a moment, a moment leading up to your dogmatic toys ?
29 Jun 19
@thinkofone saidWhen you say Jesus didn't say what He did, yes that is changing the text by removing the authorship and giving it to another. You still cannot get away from the fact it is scripture and therefore all binding when the Holy Spirit writes out the Word of God, you have shown yourself able to ignore many scriptures that don't suit you, like you do in Genesis and elsewhere.
Did you mean to write the following?
"How did you describe the text. You took Jesus' words and gave them [TO] someone else. That is changing the text."