16 Oct 10
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Originally posted by tacoandlettuceYes it is. Slavery in all its forms always was, is and always will be an abomination. Just as explicitly giving approval (as was given in Leviticus 25) to acquire and possess slaves always was, is and always will be an abomination.
What do we benefit from yours and mine argument here?
Slavery is for sure wrong!
It's unfortunate that so many Christians on this thread continue to deny these truths. They are blind to these truths.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou missed the point how they were given to slavery.
Yes it is. Slavery in all its forms always was, is and always will be an abomination. Just as explicitly giving approval (as was given in Leviticus 25) to acquire and possess slaves always was, is and always will be an abomination.
It's unfortunate that so many Christians on this thread continue to deny these facts.
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether.
Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world.
The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin.
In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status.
People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The Bible most definitely does condemn race-based slavery. Consider the slavery the Hebrews experienced when they were in Egypt. The Hebrews were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Hebrews (Exodus 13:14). The plagues God poured out on Egypt demonstrate how God feels about racial slavery (Exodus 7-11). So, yes, the Bible does condemn some forms of slavery. At the same time, the Bible does seem to allow for other forms. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceNo, I didn't miss it.
You missed the point how they were given to slavery.
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether.
Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to un ...[text shortened]... wed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
Earlier you said, "Slavery is for sure wrong!". Either you believe that to be true or you don't. Based on your last post, one can only assume that you don't.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI am not posting any more on this subject, I have expressed what I feel of nonesense, which is what slavery is.
No, I didn't miss it.
Earlier you said, "Slavery is for sure wrong!". Either you believe that to be true or you don't. Based on your last post, one can only assume that you don't.
People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceYou keep ignoring the fact that non-Hebrews were made slaves solely based on the fact that they were non-Hebrews. Hence my earlier post that said that the text you posted after the quotation of Leviticus was misleading.
I am not posting any more on this subject, I have expressed what I feel of nonesense, which is what slavery is.
People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI will say that ANY MENTION ever in the Holy Bible pertaining to the concept "slavery" is only due to the law that became manifested on earth because OF sin, and this law I am referring to is satan, the unknown God, (dog is a better expression) which was created due to this first sin (ignorance) of the 1st brought on earth, and why I say "1st brought to earth" is because the bones that scientist find over this 6,000 yr period are the -SAME ONES THEY HAVE OBSERVED OVER AND OVER from man's return to this realm that is known as earth-, that, would occur AGAIN -if- what is to BE fulfilled IS NOT! You get the drift?
You keep ignoring the fact that non-Hebrews were made slaves solely based on the fact that they were non-Hebrews. Hence my earlier post that said that the text you posted after the quotation of Leviticus was misleading.
16 Oct 10
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Originally posted by tacoandlettuceCan you back that assertion up with explicit verses from the Bible or is it merely conjecture?
I will say that ANY MENTION ever in the Holy Bible pertaining to the concept "slavery" is only due to the law that became manifested on earth because OF sin, and this law I am referring to is satan, the unknown God, (dog is a better expression) which was created due to this first sin (ignorance) of the 1st brought on earth, and why I say "1st brought as earth-, that, would occur AGAIN -if- what is to BE fulfilled IS NOT! You get the drift?
Regardless, approval was explicitly given (in Leviticus 25) to acquire and possess slaves. Such approval always was, is and always will be an abomination. You get the drift?
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne>Can you back that assertion up with explicit verses from the Bible or is it merely conjecture?~~~
Can you back that assertion up with explicit verses from the Bible or is it merely conjecture?
Regardless, approval was explicitly given (in Leviticus 25) to acquire and possess slaves. Such approval always was, is and always will be an abomination. You get the drift?
There is fruit of man that mankind in general under it's developed understanding would be able to concept the teachings of the Holy Bible and there is the fruit of spirit that one GAINS more and more of it's revelation when the discernment is applicable to it's understanding.
I speak from what I know, and am going through the -process- of eliminating this MISERABLE law man is under, and in it's shackles, known as ignorance, therefore one as lightning falleth from the skies to purge this wickedness on earth, LEST what need be fulfilled -BE- fulfilled, and we not do this EVER again.
16 Oct 10
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Originally posted by tacoandlettuceI'll take that as you cannot back it up with explicit verses from the Bible and it is merely conjecture.
>Can you back that assertion up with explicit verses from the Bible or is it merely conjecture?~~~
There is fruit of man that mankind in general under it's developed understanding would be able to concept the teachings of the Holy Bible and there is the fruit of spirit that one GAINS more and more of it's revelation when the discernment is applicab kedness on earth, LEST what need be fulfilled -BE- fulfilled, and we not do this EVER again.
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMy friend, you yourself as well as me, we all, are under this cloud, HOWEVER, I am he that is going to disperse this captivity we all have known, for THAT IS my responsibility!
Good to hear it. Unfortunately so many Christians on this thread continue to deny that truth. They are blind to that truth.
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a : to cause to break up <police dispersed the crowd> b : to cause to become spread widely c : (((*to cause to evaporate or vanish <sunlight dispersing the mist*)))
16 Oct 10
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI am saying I really could give a flyin flipp'n foo whether you desire to take it further than the silliness it is already.
I'll take that as you cannot back it up with explicit verses from the Bible and it is merely conjecture.
What is wrong, is slavery, even this mental quackery, and yes the believer's under the doctrinal acceptance as opposed to the true teachings Christ showed and represented.
I'm sorry, but this ridiculous debate has wasted over an hour of my payed cafe time
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceWell, then you should blame yourself for posting that misleading attempted defense of slavery in the Bible.
I am saying I really could give a flyin flipp'n foo whether you desire to take it further than the silliness it is already.
What is wrong, is slavery, even this mental quackery, and yes the believer's under the doctrinal acceptance as opposed to the true teachings Christ showed and represented.
I'm sorry, but this ridiculous debate has wasted over an hour of my payed cafe time
16 Oct 10
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI believe as I said earlier too, that life lessons were brought about due to the
I have indeed been following the discussion. I am also quite familiar with the arguments. And I still find myself surprised that there are people who consider themselves right-thinking individuals and yet who are prepared to suggest that the almighty, all-powerful and all-knowing christian god would condone slavery simply because of the popular opi ...[text shortened]... lso commonly accepted in antiquity, and yet god felt happy to proscribe this activity.
setup God allowed. Being bound is the normal human condition after fall of man,
seeing slavery lets us know how bad that state of being a slave to sin we are in is,
and gives us the desire to be free of it. Forbidding other gods also a life lesson
that was taugh a different way.
Kelly