16 Oct 10
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Originally posted by KellyJaySlavery is not an abomination just because "we say so" as you are disingenuously trying to frame it. Slavery is an abomination because it shows a lack of compassion for our fellow human beings. Jesus recognized this in saying, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Do you not recognize what Jesus said as an eternal truth?
So what?
Kelly
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneyes he also stated that gods word was truth and upheld the Mosiac law, for he realised that it was from God, how you fail to acknowledge this is further evidence of both your ignorance of scripture, the teachings of Christ and a general lack of any relevence to anything other than that God permitted slavery, in fact you have consistently failed to show why it has any relevance to a christian,living not under the law but under conscience. perhaps you simply like to castigate persons over which they have no control, who can say
Slavery is not an abomination just because "we say so" as you are disingenuously trying to frame it. Slavery is an abomination because it shows a lack of compassion for our fellow human beings. Jesus recognized this in saying, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Do you not recognize what Jesus said as an eternal truth?
17 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiePerhaps you just like making vacuous posts filled with misleading statements, false accusations and underhanded insinuation. Who can say? You continue to show that you are what you are.
yes he also stated that gods word was truth and upheld the Mosiac law, for he realised that it was from God, how you fail to acknowledge this is further evidence of both your ignorance of scripture, the teachings of Christ and a general lack of any relevence to anything other than that God permitted slavery, in fact you have consistently failed to sh ...[text shortened]... ence. perhaps you simply like to castigate persons over which they have no control, who can say
17 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSomething doesn't seem right
yes he also stated that gods word was truth and upheld the Mosiac law, for he realised that it was from God, how you fail to acknowledge this is further evidence of both your ignorance of scripture, the teachings of Christ and a general lack of any relevence to anything other than that God permitted slavery, in fact you have consistently failed to sh ...[text shortened]... ence. perhaps you simply like to castigate persons over which they have no control, who can say
One may either have the opinion that slavery in all cases is not good; in which case they should not see any laws which permit slavery as a good thing, or they have the opinion that slavery in all cases is not (not good) (whereby they would either be neutral on the matter or think at least one such law is in some way a good thing)
If the first case, then they cannot agree with what is set down in scripture pertaining to the endorsement/non-condemnation of slavery (where slavery mentioned).
Whilst if it is the second case then at the very least this person, in some particular instance, fails to care. This contradicts loving ones neighbour as they would theirself so long as this person cares that they do not become a slave theirself.
As you don't seem to fit case one, may I assume you'd want to be a slave robbie?
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou don't grasp the point if this is what you are attempting to prove.
Slavery is not an abomination just because "we say so" as you are disingenuously trying to frame it. Slavery is an abomination because it shows a lack of compassion for our fellow human beings. Jesus recognized this in saying, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Do you not recognize what Jesus said as an eternal truth?
Kelly
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by KellyJayIt is not me that is important, but the standard. The fact is that you to maintain a standard and expect others to do the same. You probably support the laws that prevent slavery in your country. Clearly you do not think it is your standard alone.
You want to tell me that no matter what those people said, did, thought when
they were alive under the conditions they were in, they were all wrong and your
views here and those that agree with you are the only ones right?
You and yours are that important!?
I could be wrong about this. In another thread regarding child brides, at least one poster claimed I was mistaken to assume that he would not support child brides so long as the culture in question accepted it. Oddly enough he wouldn't accept it in his own country, using the argument that his country enforced his culture on its citizens.
But a very key point you seem to be missing in this discussion is that slavery is by its very nature a case of enforcing ones beliefs on others. The slave has no choice in the matter. You cannot simultaneously argue that it is wrong to enforce our morals on others yet it is OK in some place and time to have slavery. The two claims are incompatible.
If you want to tell me that there is a standard of right and wrong that all of us
are bound to no matter what we think and the conditions we live in, and that
standard cannot be changed because we are bound to its laws/rules I'd say
whoever came up with that standard cannot be human.
And I say nobody came up with the standard. The standard follows from basic principles.
If you are saying it is human to figure it out for ourselves we go back to one opinion over another.
I know that you believe everything is opinion, even in science. I don't know what your thoughts are on mathematics, but I suspect you think 2+2=4 is a matter of opinion. I on the other hand believe that certain things can be known to be facts and if two people disagree it should be possible to settle the disagreement by discussion and the truth should be determinable in many cases by rational argument. Not everything is necessarily a mater of opinion simply because we had to figure it out.
17 Oct 10
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneFAIL
Perhaps you just like making vacuous posts filled with misleading statements, false accusations and underhanded insinuation. Who can say? You continue to show that you are what you are.
1.Christ upheld the Law he was after all a Jew, perhaps you are ignorant of the fact
2.Christ stated of the Mosaic Law, your word is truth (Gods word the Bible, including the Mosaic Law was truth, you are saying that it is not, that is not misleading, simply a fact)
3.You have continued to state why slavery as practiced by the Jews has any relevance to Christians living today, that is not a vile insinuation, its a simple statement of fact.
Once again having no recourse to reason, you must resort to manipulation of details and hurl insults across cyber space, indeed, your post has done you more damage than one could care to mention.
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by Agergfaulty reasoning to the trillionth degree, for it was allowed under a specific system, that system is now obsolete, whether it was good or bad, i do not know, you shall need to take the matter up with God, after all, it was he who permitted it. I am already a willing slave, a slave of the Christ.
Something doesn't seem right
One may either have the opinion that slavery in all cases is not good; in which case they should not see any laws which permit slavery as a good thing, or they have the opinion that slavery in all cases is not (not good) (whereby they would either be neutral on the matter or think at least one such law is in some way a good thin ...[text shortened]... heirself.
As you don't seem to fit case one, may I assume you'd want to be a slave robbie?
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou believe in evolution correct?
It is not me that is important, but the standard. The fact is that you to maintain a standard and expect others to do the same. You probably support the laws that prevent slavery in your country. Clearly you do not think it is your standard alone.
I could be wrong about this. In another thread regarding child brides, at least one poster claimed I was mis ...[text shortened]... ent. Not everything is necessarily a mater of opinion simply because we had to figure it out.
Kelly
17 Oct 10
Originally posted by twhitehead"But a very key point you seem to be missing in this discussion is that slavery is by its very nature a case of enforcing ones beliefs on others. The slave has no choice in the matter. You cannot simultaneously argue that it is wrong to enforce our morals on others yet it is OK in some place and time to have slavery. The two claims are incompatible."
It is not me that is important, but the standard. The fact is that you to maintain a standard and expect others to do the same. You probably support the laws that prevent slavery in your country. Clearly you do not think it is your standard alone.
I could be wrong about this. In another thread regarding child brides, at least one poster claimed I was mis ...[text shortened]... ent. Not everything is necessarily a mater of opinion simply because we had to figure it out.
I also believe in prison and the death pentality, neither of those go over well with
the people in jail or about to die for crimes they did.
Kelly
17 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThere was no "manipulation of details" or "hurl[ing of] insults". Your posts are often "filled with misleading statements, false accusations and underhanded insinuation". That's just a fact. You have repeatedly shown yourself prone to mendacity as has been shown a number of times and to which you've finally admitted. And it has nothing to do with "having no recourse to reason". It's that I'm tired of your dishonest tactics.
FAIL
1.Christ upheld the Law he was after all a Jew, perhaps you are ignorant of the fact
2.Christ stated of the Mosaic Law, your word is truth (Gods word the Bible, including the Mosaic Law was truth, you are saying that it is not, that is not misleading, simply a fact)
3.You have continued to state why slavery as practiced by the Jews has any ...[text shortened]... s across cyber space, indeed, your post has done you more damage than one could care to mention.
For example, if what you want to know the relevance to a Christian just ask:
"What is the relevance to a Christian?"
instead of wrapping it in insinuation as you did as follows:
"...in fact you have consistently failed to show why it has any relevance to a christian,living not under the law but under conscience..."
Tell you what. Write an honest post with your points clearly stated and I'll try to address them.