Literal vs Metaphor challenge

@kellyjay said
Again,

Show me what it means if it doesn't mean what it says.

@sonship said
@divegeester

Sonship are you running away from this?

You're just taunting now. School yard stuff.

I imagine a funny scene. Imagine the Bible with legs running away from you.

@divegeester said
I don’t know what it means.
I’ve told you this a least a dozen times previously.
Are you incapable of listening, reading, comprehending or all three.

I do not need to offer an alternative interpretation in order to demonstrate that yours is wrong (which I have done of several occasions across several threads btw).
Do you understand this?

@kellyjay said
You don’t know what it means but you know it doesn’t mean what it says!? This is knowledge you acquired how, or who taught you this?

@kellyjay said
You don’t know what it means but you know it doesn’t mean what it says!?

@divegeester said
Here is a prime example of you being intellectually dishonest.

Before I tell you why what you have written is intellectually dishonest, why don’t you read it again, several times, and have little think. Then come back and tell me what you can see that is dishonest in what you’ve written (in terms of honesty in debate).

If anyone else wants to help KellyJay out here, I would be interested to here if others see what I see.

@kellyjay said
You have no plans on on answering me, instead this is how you respond? If you believe it doesn’t mean what it says there has to be cause, or are you just rejecting scripture because you don’t like it. If I am getting this wrong enlighten me.

@divegeester said
Can you see how you post was intellectually dishonest?

Yes or no?

I’ll take you at your word.

@kellyjay said
No!
It’s not dishonest it is a valid question!
Are you going to answer now or accuse me more?

@thinkofone said
On top of that when He says if we show no mercy to others, we can except the same treatment He should lie about that?

Yet you support capital punishment. How is that not the epitome of "show[ing] no mercy"?

When you post statements like this, it underscores the incoherence and hypocrisy of your beliefs. It is a prime example of your intellectual dishonesty.

On top of that when He says if we show no mercy to others, we can except the same treatment He should lie about that?

@divegeester said
Here is how it is intellectually dishonest, you said;

You don’t know what it means but you know it doesn’t mean what it says!?

We are contesting what the scripture means, not what it “says”
In writing your post the way you have, you are conflating what is “said” (written) with what it “means”. What it says is effectively secondary to what it means.

So ...[text shortened]... k to “meaning” rather than face value of the text. If we cannot do this then the discussion is over.

@kellyjay said
So not taking me at my word, and still not answering.
I think we can part ways here no going forward this way.

@divegeester

How unfair of me? You never, ever said that you were scary.
What does the question "Are you running away?" suggest ?

Now answer me this which is more important.
Let's play it your way and remove any concept of fire from "the second death" or "eternal punishment". Let's assume all reference to fire is only allegorical and not literal.

Now that we have removed any concept of everlasting fire how does eternal separation from God appear more palatable to you ?

On what grounds do you now argue that no torment or suffering would then be involved with being separated from God forever?

@sonship said
@divegeester
How unfair of me? You never, ever said that you were scary

@sonship said
@divegeester

How unfair of me? You never, ever said that you were scary.
What does the question "Are you running away?" suggest ?

Now answer me this which is more important.
Let's play it your way and remove any concept of fire from "the second death" or "eternal punishment". Let's assume all reference to fire is only allegorical and not literal.
...[text shortened]... now argue that no torment or suffering would then be involved with being separated from God forever?