@philokalia saidThe vengeance and the wrath and the glorification stuff are sonship's beliefs. I don't want you to set about discussing those beliefs by using me as a proxy for sonship. I don't believe what either of you say about the exact nature of the eternal torture you believe in.
Wait, you don't want to discuss this with me?
@philokalia saidI got the idea that the torture is revenge for lack of belief from another Christian. It is obviously not a belief that I am going to defend.
Again, you're using this to try to direct me to debate another Christian?
04 Mar 19
@fmf saidYou asked what would cause me to seek out the true God in Christianity elsewhere and I provided a good answer as to why the other religions are not satisfactory.
None of this is evidence that your religion is divinely inspired and none of it amounts to a moral justification for being consigned ~ in secret ~ to 'a fire that is torturous for an eternity where the fire is not quenched' or words to that effect.
Of course none of this provides some sort empirical evidence.
04 Mar 19
@fmf saidLol, you asked me my opinions on hell and as I described them you are like
The vengeance and the wrath and the glorification stuff are sonship's beliefs. I don't want you to set about discussing those beliefs by using me as a proxy for sonship. I don't believe what either of you say about the exact nature of the eternal torture you believe in.
"slow down there! I'm not your proxy to debate hell with Sonship!"
As if this is remotely the case.
You're the one backing out of a discussion of it with me when hell is the topic
04 Mar 19
@fmf saidAnd you don't otherwise wish to discuss this with me.
I got the idea that the torture is revenge for lack of belief from another Christian. It is obviously not a belief that I am going to defend.
Why?
You are excited to attack other people's "myths" or whatever.
Why not mine?
Why only Sonship?
04 Mar 19
@philokalia saidIf I may ask, as you studied it, did you believe you were examining the beliefs of human beings who were going to deserve, when they die, to be tormented in burning flames for eternity for subscribing to Buddhist philosophy and not being Christians?
I have a degree in Buddhist philosophy and my girlfriend's family are all Muslims.
04 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI don't want to discuss your God's feelings of vengeance and wrath and glorification [by the suffering of the people hung out on chains and being tortured] with you if it is stuff you do not believe.
And you don't otherwise wish to discuss this with me.
Why?
04 Mar 19
@fmf saidNo.
If I may ask, as you studied it, did you believe you were examining the beliefs of human beings who were going to deserve, when they die, to be tormented in burning flames for eternity for subscribing to Buddhist philosophy and not being Christians?
And your question doesn't bother anyone because you don't accurately understand or describe the beliefs of Christians on this
This is a very big handicap in your understanding of Christianity.
04 Mar 19
@fmf said... I don't understand.
I don't want to discuss your God's feelings of vengeance and wrath and glorification [by the suffering of the people hung out on chains and being tortured] with you if it is stuff you do not believe.
You just confirmed I believe in the "torturer God ideology," but now I don't?
04 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI am dealing with your superstitious beliefs in the same way as I deal with sonship's. What are you on about?
You are excited to attack other people's "myths" or whatever.
Why not mine?
Why only Sonship?
@philokalia saidWho said you don't?
... I don't understand.
You just confirmed I believe in the "torturer God ideology," but now I don't?
You have conceded that you do.
04 Mar 19
@philokalia saidBut you believe that Buddhists who go to their grave having "rejected" your religion are going to be tortured, right? I understand it pretty well.
And your question doesn't bother anyone because you don't accurately understand or describe the beliefs of Christians on this
