11 Nov 15
Originally posted by sonshipWhen you offer me convincing evidence that God has revealed Himself to you I will let you know.
The inclusion of many potentially embarrassing or problematic statements in the Gospels strongly argue for their authenticity. IE. Propaganda, yet of a true kind. .
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Originally posted by FMFAsk one of your choir members to refresh your memory.
Which of our discussions is this in connection with?
It was in this discussion that you accused me of circular reasoning.
... as long as you reserve the right to use your go-to circular logic to say pretty much anything you want.
11 Nov 15
Originally posted by sonshipIt's you who believes that the 'evidence' you take from the Bible is true, and that you know it's true because the Bible is true, isn't it?
Ask one of your choir members to refresh your memory.
It was in this discussion that you accused me of circular reasoning.
... as long as you reserve the right to use your go-to circular logic to say pretty much anything you want.
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Originally posted by FMFSo begins the process of shifting all burden to me.
It's you who believes that the 'evidence' you take from the Bible is true, and that you know it's true because the Bible is true, isn't it?
You are going to show us your powers of linear reasoning to explain how you know reasoning only can bring truth to man.
If you can't do it then just say so. Don't just use your go to "shift all burden away to your opponent" card to say anything you want.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I always understood as an expression of Christ's humanity. Don't all humans cry out to their God or to justice when experiencing such physical (and unwarranted) torment?
" ... you shall overlay it [the altar] with bronze." (Exodus 27:2)
In typology, the altar in the outer court of the tabernacle signified the cross of Christ. It was made with acacia wood overlaid with bronze.
The acacia wood stands for for the fine humanity of Christ. And the fact that this fine wood was overlaid with bronze signified that the divine judgment of God completely overlaid Christ on the cross. He was consumed by the judgment of God as He died for all sinners.
Your perception is accurate. The fine and pure human nature of Jesus Christ was totally consumed by the judgment of God as Christ bore it for all mankind.
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"And you shall make the altar of acacia wood, a length of five cubits and a width of five cubits. the altar shall be square; and yjtrr cubits its height." (Exodus 27:1)
The acacia wood signifies the humanity of Christ.
Five by five for its length and width shows Christ bore the total responsibility of God's requirement for His holiness, righteousness, and glory. Christ completely met the requirements of God in baring judgment on the cross.
Five is the number meaning responsibility. It is composed of 4 plus 1. Four signifies the creation of God. Man is a created item of God. And 1 signifies the one unique God. God added to man is for the bearing of responsibility. Christ completely bore responsibility to fulfill the righteous requirement of God.
Five times five shows Christ perfectly bore this responsibility on the cross - the real altar of all eternity.
The squareness of the altar signifies that Christ was tested in every way and in every direction by God while living on the earth. The Savior of all mankind was tried, tested, and made to pass through every kind of trial to demonstrate His approvedness and perfection for God and man.
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Originally posted by sonship[b] "And you shall make the altar of acacia wood, a length of five cubits and a width of five cubits. the altar shall be square; and yjtrr cubits its height." (Exodus 27:1)
The acacia wood signifies the humanity of Christ.
Five by five for its length and width shows Christ bore the total responsibility of God's requirement ...[text shortened]... pass through every kind of trial to demonstrate His approvedness and perfection for God and man.[/b]TYPO:
"And you shall make the altar of acacia wood, a length of five cubits and a width of five cubits. the altar shall be square; and three [edited] cubits its height." (Exodus 27:1)
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I am making some comments about the event of Christ's death, drawing on some typology of the altar in the Old Testament. It pointed symbolically to the death of the Son of God for our salvation.
Then there was the horns of the altar.
"And you shall make its horns upon its four corners." (Exodus 27: 2)
The horns upon each of the four corners of the altar signify the power of the cross of Christ. The horns speak of power. They are like the horns of a strong ox (Psalm 92:10a).
Christ's death for sinners has the power to reach all the four corners of the whole earth. The gospel has the power to spread to every part of the world.
The horns signify strength, and in typology the four corners signify the ends, or the corners of the whole earth. The symbolism is that Christ's redemptive work is effective enough to reach all humans on earth.
The horns at the corners were sprinkled with the blood of the sacrifices (Lev. 4:25,34) . Probably this was the reason that people took hold of one of the horns of the altar when they sought for forgiveness is a desperate way ( 1 Kings 1:50) .
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Then we notice that the horns of the altar were absolutely one with the altar. Verse 2 says -
"its horns shall be from it"This means that the four horns were one with the altar. They were not made separately and attached to the altar. Rather, God instructed that they were to be made of one piece with the altar.
This means that the power and strength of Christ's redemption cannot be separated from Christ's cross. Without the altar there would be no horns. Without the altar there would be no strength or power of the sacrifice.
The typology means that apart from the cross of Jesus Christ we should not assume that any of us have power or strength in the spiritual realm. And none of us have the power or strength to reconcile ourselves to God. The power and strength to be reconciled to God is in the dying of Christ on our behalf.
So the horns are ONE with the alrar - "its horns shall be from it". What a marvelous and effective work of redemption Christ has accomplished.
14 Nov 15
Originally posted by sonshipThis means that the four horns were one with the altar. They were not made separately and attached to the altar. Rather, God instructed that they were to be made of one piece with the altar.
Then we notice that the horns of the altar were absolutely one with the altar. Verse 2 says -
[b] "its horns shall be from it"
This mean ...[text shortened]... hall be from it"[/b]. What a marvelous and effective work of redemption Christ has accomplished.[/b]please read a scholarly work on the temple in the time of Christ.
http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/1001-1100/HDM1026.pdf
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI didn't make it up. I learned it from others with more spiritual experience and insight into the word of God.
The horns upon each of the four corners of the altar signify the power of the cross of Christ - Jaywill
No they don't you just made that up.
You can think that it is fanciful and imaginative if you wish.
But for those who have an ear to hear ... , the number four in the Bible, as four winds, four chariots, four sections of the image, four corners of the earth, four living creatures, often speaks of the whole creation. You read Daniel, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Revelation and you can't see that ?