New Testament

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there are two commands to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself, indeed
i think if you look at the laws of England and Wales you may find more than two
laws and yet you never so much as squawk about that.

the fact is, not everyone qualifies and why would you want to be in heaven anyway?

you will be punished at Armageddon if it str ...[text shortened]... made exquisite love, it was awesome, I treat my wife as a queen and
she treats me like a King.

"there are two commands to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself, indeed
i think if you look at the laws of England and Wales you may find more than two
laws and yet you never so much as squawk about that."

illogical comparison, there are far more commands than the two you have selected to help you prove a non existent point. funnily enough for some bizarre reason the laws of england and wales very rarely come up on a spirituality forum

why would you want to be in heaven anyway?

irrelevant. my personal feelings regarding heaven do not alter the morality behind the cruel, bullying, fear of punishment based system of controlling humanity.

you will be punished at Armageddon if it strikes

if?

if you die a natural death before
that, then what are you complaining about, it would have happened that way,
anyway

illogical. you are basically saying the nature of an outcome doesnt matter. only the outcome it important.

abusive husband? i have been happily married for fourteen years, only
yesterday we made exquisite love, it was awesome, I treat my wife as a queen and
she treats me like a King.

missed the point - not you numbnuts. god!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think Galveston has realised that its a complete waste of time, ask yourself how
these questions haver furthered our understanding and you will find them bereft of
anything, if not, then please point out how they have contributed to a furthering of our
understanding? The onus is never on FMF to produce anything, ask him about the
nature of ...[text shortened]... y seeks to cowardly chip away at the faith of other users under the guise of
sincere enquiry.

I think Galveston has realised that its a complete waste of time, ask yourself how
these questions haver furthered our understanding and you will find them bereft of
anything, if not, then please point out how they have contributed to a furthering of our
understanding?

i disagree and i think most people on here would. it only seems to be 'a wast of his time' when fmf proves galvestons contradicted himself. the questions provide and further my understanding a lot. the main reason i come to the forum is to understand how religions deal with the difficult questions.


The onus is never on FMF to produce anything, ask him about the
nature of his God, he doesn't know anything, ask him about the name of his God, he is

illogical - fmf is an atheist, you know that. if you were genuinely interested in others beliefs im sure there are lots of topics to put the onus on an atheist to answer.

anything with content and its a desert wasteland. I challenge you to produce a
single reference where he has produced anything definitive or anything of
substance

i dont need to validate fmfs quality as poster to you. if you are unable to see his qualities it says more about you than him.

simply seeks to cowardly chip away at the faith of other users under the guise of
sincere enquiry.

nothing cowardly about asking the questions he asks. getting to the crux of a belief system is important. getting to the core, digging out the truths and lies is essential. if your religion is solid then it holds up to scrutiny. if it all falls down like a deck of cards then its lacking substance. you may not like it being questioned. but you guys believe its your job to spread the message. if you want to spread your word then you should be prepared to answer questions. the harder the questions are to answer then usually the more important they are. can you imagine if politicians were never made accountable for the things they say?

Originally posted by galveston75
This really bothers you doesn't it? Sorry that my comment does but not much more I can do from what I've explained.
But as I said, God has worked thru people and even nations with his direction and has communicated with them.
Again I ask you why is that so hard to understand that he can and still does this today? Please explain why you just can't believe it?

This doesn't bother me in the slightest, why would it? I'm merely trying to understand what it is you're saying here.

So who does God's spirit communicate with? Is it members of the Governing Body?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The watchtower is a magazine dear PK, I repeat, a magazine. The fact that God has a body of persons, known as the faithful and discreet slave, whose responsibility it is to provide spiritual food is without question.

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his
domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? - Matthew 24:45

That doesn't answer my question.

Do you believe God communicates with someone within the JW organisation?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive read it. he asks you some very good questions and seems to find several flaws in your views, he remains on topic and is simply asking you to back up statements and claims you have made. if you can back them up then why not do it? if you cant then say so. if people just run away whenever their views are challenged on here then it would end up being a ...[text shortened]... es with you and robbie in the past.

why didnt you want to continue answering his questions?

Oh my. This is my last statement on this. He has proven over and over that he is not really wanting to know the answers. He has admitted that he has had many discussions with other JW's in the past and no doubt some of the same subjects we have discussed here, I'm sure he discussed with them.
It is my experiance that ones like Mr FMf is truely not wanting to learn but only trying to trip me up by constantly rephrasing his questions on the same subject. It is a complete waist of my time as he does not want to learn. That is clearly evident by his phrasing.
If he were truly wanting to learn, that would be great, but he is not. I have better things to do while I'm here at RHP then keep up some pointless and meaningless conversation with FMF.
PS, I am not running from anything. I just know when time and effort is being waisted.
And if anyone here at RHP for whatever reason feels uncomfortable with anyone here and states that over and over to be left alone by them, it would seem a normal person would comply.
It's not that I'm asking him to jump off a cliff or climb a mountain, I'm not going to steal his money or rob his house. I just want him to stop stalking me. That is my opionion and we all have the right to that. Right?

Originally posted by galveston75
Oh my. This is my last statement on this. He has proven over and over that he is not really wanting to know the answers. He has admitted that he has had many discussions with other JW's in the past and no doubt some of the same subjects we have discussed here, I'm sure he discussed with them.
It is my experiance that ones like Mr FMf is truely not want ...[text shortened]... ant him to stop stalking me. That is my opionion and we all have the right to that. Right?

Asking you questions concerning statements you have made in a public forum is not stalking Galveston, sending creepy PM's is though.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This doesn't bother me in the slightest, why would it? I'm merely trying to understand what it is you're saying here.

So who does God's spirit communicate with? Is it members of the Governing Body?

"Jehovah also speaks to us by means of “the faithful and discreet slave.” As Jesus foretold, a class of anointed Christians has been appointed to provide spiritual “food at the proper time” during these troublesome last days. (Matthew 24:45-47) "Draw close to God chapter 31"

First of all God has given us the bible that completely guides us thru this system. That communication from God is still very alive even today. So he still communicates to all that want to truely learn thru this book.

Again he does not directly speak to anyone here on earth. He uses his channels of his Holy Spirit and his son Jesus.

The only time God has directly dealt with humans was in the Garden of Eden.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This doesn't bother me in the slightest, why would it? I'm merely trying to understand what it is you're saying here.

So who does God's spirit communicate with? Is it members of the Governing Body?

The governing body of God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and they communicate with each other. To the father and the Holy Spirit, the Son said, "Let us create man in our own image."

Then God created man, male and female, in His own image.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Asking you questions concerning statements you have made in a public forum is not stalking Galveston, sending creepy PM's is though.

My PM was not creepy on any level. I asked him a couple questions as to why he seems to be obsessed with me as he does not do this to anyone else at RHP. I have every right to ask him to see why. Right?

Originally posted by RJHinds
The governing body of God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and they communicate with each other. To the father and the Holy Spirit, the Son said, "Let us create man in our own image."

Then God created man, male and female, in His own image.

Where is that term used in the Bible in referring to your trinity God as a Governing body? First they are spirits and have no body in any form.
Please show that scripture to me...

Originally posted by galveston75
"Jehovah also speaks to us by means of “the faithful and discreet slave.” As Jesus foretold, a class of anointed Christians has been appointed to provide spiritual “food at the proper time” during these troublesome last days. (Matthew 24:45-47) "Draw close to God chapter 31"

First of all God has given us the bible that completely guides us thru this ...[text shortened]... is son Jesus.

The only time God has directly dealt with humans was in the Garden of Eden.

So has the Holy Spirit directly communicated with anyone within the JW organisation?

Originally posted by galveston75
My PM was not creepy on any level. I asked him a couple questions as to why he seems to be obsessed with me as he does not do this to anyone else at RHP. I have every right to ask him to see why. Right?

What does FMF's sexuality have to do with anything?

Secondly, asking you questions pertaining to statements you have made in a public forum can hardly be labelled an 'obsession' Galveston.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What does FMF's sexuality have to do with anything?

Secondly, asking you questions pertaining to statements you have made in a public forum can hardly be labelled an 'obsession' Galveston.

My discussions on this rather silly subject is over. Can you get the hint that FMF can't seem to get? We will see......

Originally posted by galveston75
My discussions on this rather silly subject is over. Can you get the hint that FMF can't seem to get? We will see......

So has the Holy Spirit directly communicated with anyone within the JW organisation?

Originally posted by galveston75
Oh my. This is my last statement on this. He has proven over and over that he is not really wanting to know the answers. He has admitted that he has had many discussions with other JW's in the past and no doubt some of the same subjects we have discussed here, I'm sure he discussed with them.
It is my experiance that ones like Mr FMf is truely not want ...[text shortened]... ant him to stop stalking me. That is my opionion and we all have the right to that. Right?

Oh my. This is my last statement on this. He has proven over and over that he is not really wanting to know the answers. He has admitted that he has had many discussions with other JW's in the past and no doubt some of the same subjects we have discussed here, I'm sure he discussed with them.
It is my experiance that ones like Mr FMf is truely not wanting to learn but only trying to trip me up by constantly rephrasing his questions on the same subject. It is a complete waist of my time as he does not want to learn.


yes the purpose of his questions are to trip you up. this may not be important to you, but is very important to the people who want to get to the core of your beliefs and see if they stand up. he's like a lawyer, he probes you looking for gaps or contradictions in your beliefs. you say he doesnt want to learn, if you could answer his questions and he was unable to find any flaws in your beliefs then he would have to learn something wouldnt he. the problem for you is he and so many others on here find gaps that you cannot answer all the time.
it sounds like you want a docile flock that will listen to what you say and buy it. its not going to happen on here. if you are going to make the bold statement that your religion it the religion of god then be prepared to answer some hard questions.

I have better things to do while I'm here at RHP then keep up some pointless and meaningless conversation with FMF.

then dont answer his questions, it takes less effort to ignore somebody than it does to post messages saying ****go away******. why does it seem you only respond like this when hes asking you questions you are finding difficult? is this pure coincidence?

PS, I am not running from anything. I just know when time and effort is being waisted

im afraid it looks exactly like you are running away. he asks a couple of tricky questions, which seem to indicate contradictions in what you say and then your making all kinds of bizarre claims.


I just want him to stop stalking me.

you really shouldnt use the word stalking in such a flippant way. it actually pretty offensive and belittling to people who have experience real stalking. a two way debate that translates into a 5 min conversation is hardly comparable to the traumatic experience of stalking. you calls for him to leave you alone just look like a person who knows theyve been found out and dont want to admit it. i dont blame him for pressing you.

if you want people to leave you alone on a debates forum. dont post illogical, contradictory things, it may lead to debate!!!