New Testament

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The Bible is a product of Holy Spirit, a communication from God. How else? Why don't
you read it then you would know, what was said and to whom.

If this was the 16th century, you'd be burnt at the stake for saying
you hear voices.

Today they'll just put you into a room with very soft wallpaper.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
If this was the 16th century, you'd be burnt at the stake for saying
you hear voices.

Today they'll just put you into a room with very soft wallpaper.

what are you talking about the sixteenth century? why have you assumed that the
operation of the Holy Spirit is somehow restricted to aural utterances. I really don't
think you know anything about how it operates to be honest in Biblical context and here
you are pontificating to others about what is mentally healthy? Do you think its
mentally healthy to offer ignorance as some kind of truth? Do you often ridicule things
which you don't understand? I am constantly amazed that persons who know next to
nothing about the Bible are its biggest critics, prejudiced much?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what are you talking about the sixteenth century? why have you assumed that the
operation of the Holy Spirit is somehow restricted to aural utterances. I really don't
think you know anything about how it operates to be honest in Biblical context and here
you are pontificating to others about what is mentally healthy? Do you think its
menta ...[text shortened]... t persons who know next to
nothing about the Bible are its biggest critics, prejudiced much?

It's really easy to yank your chain isn't Robbie?

Look If you have certain beliefs, that's fine.

But to me, the bible is a group of books written by fallible men
over a 1600 year period.

I don't know what to believe at this stage of my life.

All I know is that to err is human and humans are capable of many deceitful
things because they are self centered and corrupt.

If there really was a GOD out there, why has he been silent for so long?

If he was really there he would still be communicating with humanity
and in plain language.

Not riddles and parables and suggestions using figurative language.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
It's really easy to yank your chain isn't Robbie?

Look If you have certain beliefs, that's fine.

But to me, the bible is a group of books written by fallible men
over a 1600 year period.

I don't know what to believe at this stage of my life.

All I know is that to err is human and humans are capable of many deceitful
things because the ...[text shortened]... nd in plain language.

Not riddles and parables and suggestions using figurative language.

Its not about me Johnny, its about the operation of the Holy spirit and the forums
apparent lack of knowledge of how its supposed to operate, yet their insistence on
telling us what is truth and what is not. I have inherited from my mother a rather feisty
Irish temperament, with which i struggle constantly. The Bible is the most widely
translated, widely distributed and widely available book in the entire history of
humanity, how plain do you want to go Johnny? Why did Christ use parables? To
stimulate thinking and to help others to come to the point through a process of
reasoning. Its a matter of perspective Johnny.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not about me Johnny, its about the operation of the Holy spirit and the forums
apparent lack of knowledge of how its supposed to operate, yet their insistence on
telling us what is truth and what is not. I have inherited from my mother a rather feisty
Irish temperament, with which i struggle constantly. The Bible is the most widely
tran ...[text shortened]... hers to come to the point through a process of
reasoning. Its a matter of perspective Johnny.

If it was truth then it should operate like a manual as to how to behave in order
to achieve the goal of glory and righteousness and salvation.

That would be plain and simple and such instruction would last throughout the ages
without being open to contradiction.

But it does not do this and so it is open to contradiction and different people's
interpretation.

Is it any wonder why so that you have so many different branches of
Christianity each one trying to outdo the other while at the same time all of them
claiming to be right.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The Holy spirit should be evident in all Christians lives. The Bible itself is a product of
Holy spirit, this forms the basis of our beliefs and therefore yes, God has
communicated with the JW organisation. Please tell the forum how you think the Holy
spirit operates, seeing that you are knowledgeable about it? Where does the idea
come fro ...[text shortened]... are recipients of Gods Holy spirit and are therefore
infallible, will you point it out to us?

Do you believe God has directly communicated, through the Holy Spirit, with members of the Governing Body as Galveston has claimed?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
If it was truth then it should operate like a manual as to how to behave in order
to achieve the goal of glory and righteousness and salvation.

That would be plain and simple and such instruction would last throughout the ages
without being open to contradiction.

But it does not do this and so it is open to contradiction and different people' ...[text shortened]... ty each one trying to outdo the other while at the same time all of them
claiming to be right.

If it was truth then it should operate like a manual as to how to behave in order
to achieve the goal of glory and righteousness and salvation.

By and large, the teachings of Jesus when He walked the Earth are just that. But rather than follow those teachings, the vast majority of Christians choose to follow the mythology built around Jesus by others. This despite the following words of warning from Jesus.

Luke 6
46“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47“Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49“But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]If it was truth then it should operate like a manual as to how to behave in order
to achieve the goal of glory and righteousness and salvation.

By and large, the teachings of Jesus when He walked the Earth are just that. But rather than follow those teachings, the vast majority of Christians choose to follow the mythology built around Jesus b ...[text shortened]... he torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”[/b]

There are many passages spoken by Jesus I am not going to bore people by listing
them all here, that were parables and figurative speeches.

His followers had trouble trying to interpret what he meant.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
There are many passages spoken by Jesus I am not going to bore people by listing
them all here, that were parables and figurative speeches.

His followers had trouble trying to interpret what he meant.

From what I can tell, most of the "trouble trying to interpret what he meant" is due to trying to shoehorn His teachings into the teachings of others. Without that, the meanings would be much more easily understood. Jesus explained why they don't understand Him here:

John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Do you believe God has directly communicated, through the Holy Spirit, with members of the Governing Body as Galveston has claimed?

did you take the time to find out what Galveston meant? no you did not, do you
understand anything with regard to the operation of the Holy spirit and how it
communicates, no you do not. can you prove that the governing body of Jehovah's
witnesses have not been recipients of the Holy spirit? no you cannot. can I, no i
cannot, therefore as someone who understands how the Holy spirit operates i see no
reason to disbelieve Galveston's claims and as you have provided none, other than
some clumsy attempts to insist that those who are recipients of the holy spirit are
somehow to be deemed infallible again without reason or reference, his statement
therefore stands until you do so.

I personally am getting not a little fed up of this type of inquiry because it appears
to me to be nothing but contentiousness. For example you questioned another
statement of his, the interpretation of some part of the book of revelation, when
asked to subject his statement to falsification, you could not do so and instead could
only provide an alternative interpretation devoid of reason, again, all one needs to
do is ask you once again to subject this latest little instance to falsification and you
are unable to do so.

bad associations spoil useful habits, hang out with internet trolls and you pick up bad
habits, a piece of unsolicited advice, i know, but there you are.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
If it was truth then it should operate like a manual as to how to behave in order
to achieve the goal of glory and righteousness and salvation.

That would be plain and simple and such instruction would last throughout the ages
without being open to contradiction.

But it does not do this and so it is open to contradiction and different people' ...[text shortened]... ty each one trying to outdo the other while at the same time all of them
claiming to be right.

'wisdom is proven righteous by its works', johnny , do you understand what this means?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
'wisdom is proven righteous by its works', johnny , do you understand what this means?

How many times have people and world leaders done a half assed thing
because they thought it was the righteous wise thing to do?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
How many times have people and world leaders done a half assed thing
because they thought it was the righteous wise thing to do?

if its half assed johnny , it cannot be wise, can it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if its half assed johnny , it cannot be wise, can it.

That didn't stop them doing it,

thinking it was wise at the time.


Lots of people have made decisions thinking that it was a wise move.

This includes choosing a religion.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
That didn't stop them doing it,

thinking it was wise at the time.


Lots of people have made decisions thinking that it was a wise move.

This includes choosing a religion.

but it cannot be wise, its anything but wise, irrespective of what they thought.