04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Well, don't be coy about it. I am asking you what they are. I have never been a Jehovah's Witness myself and the Jehovah's Witnesses I talked to in Australia and Japan and the UK never got on to this topic. If you have a lifelong friendship with a homosexual, according to your religious beliefs, what would be the spiritual consequences for you?
Lol. You know very well what hey are.
04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfOK. Will be back in the morning.
Well, don't be coy about it. I am asking you what they are. I have never been a Jehovah's Witness myself and the Jehovah's Witnesses I talked to in Australia and Japan and the UK never got on to this topic. If you have a lifelong friendship with a homosexual, according to your religious beliefs, what would be the spiritual consequences for you?
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04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @eladarIt would be best if we could find a contemporaneous source confirming that the death penalty was in place. Of course people killed people back then, for various reasons. I'll do some searching.
He deleted it?
Where does Paul say not to make the death penalty the penalty?
Why would Paul feel the need to describe the known penalty of death?
Within the Jewish community Jewish law would be carried out. This is how the Romans worked. What was the Jewish penalty for homosexuality between two men?
04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfAlright back. OK I apologize with those comments but it has been discussed many times over the years here. Maybe you missed them.
Well, don't be coy about it. I am asking you what they are. I have never been a Jehovah's Witness myself and the Jehovah's Witnesses I talked to in Australia and Japan and the UK never got on to this topic. If you have a lifelong friendship with a homosexual, according to your religious beliefs, what would be the spiritual consequences for you?
If this friend was someone who as they say "came out" and you did not know they were of a sexual orientation that was not what you thought and it was against what Jehovah approves, then to be loyal to Jehovah or to be loyal to this friend could be a hard decision but one that has to be made. If one were to continue to associate with that friend and did not follow Jehovah's commands to not associate with them, then they could face a decision by the congregation to make bible based actions to help you see the dangers of this association. If one were to ignore the advice of the congregations bible based views, one could possibly be disfellowshipped.
Also it would be very clear by this info that one would not start a friendship like this already knowing the bibles views.
Remember the scriptures where Jesus basically said "he came not to bring families together but to separate them". I can't find that scripture at the moment but this is the jest of it. But anyway what did he mean by this? He was saying that what he taught and the way he set up the congregations and with the messages that he said and that his followers would teach and live by...it could tear families apart because of the divisions it would cause. If one has a friend or even a family member that "practices" sin willfully, the friendship or association with that person is very restrictive, if any at all.
Originally posted by @galveston75An answer to the question I asked you would be more interesting.
Alright back. OK I apologize with those comments but it has been discussed many times over the years here. Maybe you missed them.
If this friend was someone who as they say "came out" and you did not know they were of a sexual orientation that was not what you thought and it was against what Jehovah approves, then to be loyal to Jehovah or to be loyal ...[text shortened]... in willfully, the friendship or association with that person is very restrictive, if any at all.
Originally posted by @galveston75If this homosexual were not a member of your family and not a member of your organization's congregation, exactly what jeopardy would you face if you were his (or her) friend? What action do you believe "Jehovah" might take against you personally?
If this friend was someone who as they say "came out" and you did not know they were of a sexual orientation that was not what you thought and it was against what Jehovah approves, then to be loyal to Jehovah or to be loyal to this friend could be a hard decision but one that has to be made.
Originally posted by @fmfDo you have neo nazi friends? The kinds of friends you hang out with? I am talking about the real deal not people around here that get called one.
If this homosexual were not a member of your family and not a member of your organization's congregation, exactly what jeopardy would you face if you were his (or her) friend? What action do you believe "Jehovah" might take against you personally?
Originally posted by @eladarOK then. So, what action do you believe your god figure will take against you personally if you have a neo-nazi friend or a homosexual friend?
Do you have neo nazi friends? The kinds of friends you hang out with? I am talking about the real deal not people around here that get called one.
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04 Jan 18
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Originally posted by @js357Further on this:
It would be best if we could find a contemporaneous source confirming that the death penalty was in place. Of course people killed people back then, for various reasons. I'll do some searching.
“In the gospel accounts of the trial of Jesus we learn that the Jewish authorities could not sentence anyone to death:
Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. (John 18:31 NIV)
“It seems that the Romans initially allowed the Jewish authorities to exercise capital punishment, but withdrew the privilege some time during Jesus' life.”
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5558/in-the-time-of-jesus-were-the-jewish-authorities-allowed-to-execute
This means that in Romans, Paul was constrained from stating that the due penalty was death, but he was not required to speak against it. But he did speak against it. Roman law, which he supported in Romans 13, did not allow Jewish law to execute criminals. So, effectively, death for man on man sex was outlawed with Paul’s tacit agreement.
Originally posted by @eladarNo. Because it is a red herring. If you think your question was somehow pertinent to the conversation that I was having with galveston75 then you are an oaf. If you realize that it's a red herring, you can legitimize it and ask people to address it by starting a thread about Having Neo-Nazi Friends or some such.
Answer my question.
04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfOK so is your question about having homosexual friends. You are a hypocrite. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
No. Because it is a red herring. If you think your question was somehow pertinent to the conversation that I was having with galveston75 then you are an oaf. If you realize that it's a red herring, you can legitimize it and ask people to address it by starting a thread about Having Neo-Nazi Friends or some such.
04 Jan 18
Originally posted by @js357I guess Jesus did not save the adultress.
Further on this:
“In the gospel accounts of the trial of Jesus we learn that the Jewish authorities could not sentence anyone to death:
Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. (John 18:31 NIV)
“It seems that the Romans initially allowed the Jewish authorities to exerci ...[text shortened]... e criminals. So, effectively, death for man on man sex was outlawed with Paul’s tacit agreement.