Of what worth is your God?

@divegeester said
You play this card from the bottom of your deck so often when you are in a pinch with FMF that it is starting to look dog-eared.

YOU are a full of chit phony Christian, and an FMF suckup.

@secondson said
What is truly odd is that you seem to think that I or KellyJay don't believe that everyone that rejects the salvation that God offers through faith in Jesus Christ isn't "damned".

That's what the Bible teaches. You should know that considering you claim to have believed what the Bible says for over two decades.

"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

Rather than deploy a mealy-mouthed double negative and a deflection, why not just be unequivocal? Is the above statement true or false, according to your beliefs?

@secondson said
What is truly odd is that you seem to think that I or KellyJay don't believe that everyone that rejects the salvation that God offers through faith in Jesus Christ isn't "damned".

Wut?

@secondson said
YOU are a full of chit phony Christian, and an FMF suckup.

Ah there’s the real you, the gentle full of Jesus, spiritually muscular @josephw

@fmf said
"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

Rather than deploy a mealy-mouthed double negative and a deflection, why not just be unequivocal? Is the above statement true or false, according to your beliefs?

That's what the Bible says.

Quit coming off as if you don't know that or that Bible believing Christians don't know that the Bible says that all have sinned and deserve to die the death, and that Jesus paid the debt for our sins and took upon Himself the penalty for sin.

This tact and line of questioning you take is nothing short of duplicitous on your part since you claim to have been a Christian and believed what the Bible taught. You know this stuff, so quit acting as though it's some new revelation that everyone doesn't already know.

One either believes the Bible or one doesn't.

@divegeester said
Ah there’s the real you, the gentle full of Jesus, spiritually muscular @josephw

Why don't you quit being a phony and contribute something of substance to the topic of discussion?

@divegeester said
Wut?

A phony reply by a phony Christian.

@secondson said
That's what the Bible says.

What's with all the wriggling and deflection then?

KellyJay said that I was twisting the truth when I made the statement that his belief is that "Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

@divegeester said
Wut?

It's a peculiar double negative, isn't it?

@secondson said
Why don't you quit being a phony and contribute something of substance to the topic of discussion?

Do you mean like calling other posters “ashole” or “pinhead” or “dense” or “weak minded”

Is that the “substance” you are talking about Joseph?

@secondson said
A phony reply by a phony Christian.

Your post which I was replying to contain so many double negatives it was incomprehensible. Try to calm down and be less angry and I’m sure you will make more sense.

@secondson said
Quit coming off as if you don't know that or that Bible believing Christians don't know that the Bible says that all have sinned and deserve to die the death, and that Jesus paid the debt for our sins and took upon Himself the penalty for sin.

"all have sinned and deserve to die the death"


So where does it mention that one deserves to be tortured for eternity?

Sorry, but "die the death", to me, seems to mean to die, to be dead, to pass away. Yes, we deserve to die at God's hand for our sins, but do we really deserve to be tortured for all eternity? We're told to fear he who can kill both our body and soul in hell. Why isn't this the exact punishment for being found wanting at Judgement? Why the eternal torture?

Do you believe the soul is eternal and cannot be killed by God? Why else burn us alive for eternity? Why not just snuff us out and be done with it? Why call it "the second death" if it does NOT kill us?

I, too, believe in what the Bible says. I just don't believe that our punishment is to burn alive for eternity. And I don't see where it says that in the Bible either. That's reserved for Satan, the Beast, the False Prophet, and all who take the Beast's mark. That's all.

@fmf said
What's with all the wriggling and deflection then?

KellyJay said that I was twisting the truth when I made the statement that his belief is that "Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

Quote me

@kellyjay said
Quote me

Pages 17 and 18.

@fmf said
Pages 17 and 18.

I don't ever recall ever saying "Pages 17 and 18" you must have me confused with someone else.