@secondson said"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"
What is truly odd is that you seem to think that I or KellyJay don't believe that everyone that rejects the salvation that God offers through faith in Jesus Christ isn't "damned".
That's what the Bible teaches. You should know that considering you claim to have believed what the Bible says for over two decades.
Rather than deploy a mealy-mouthed double negative and a deflection, why not just be unequivocal? Is the above statement true or false, according to your beliefs?
@fmf saidThat's what the Bible says.
"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"
Rather than deploy a mealy-mouthed double negative and a deflection, why not just be unequivocal? Is the above statement true or false, according to your beliefs?
Quit coming off as if you don't know that or that Bible believing Christians don't know that the Bible says that all have sinned and deserve to die the death, and that Jesus paid the debt for our sins and took upon Himself the penalty for sin.
This tact and line of questioning you take is nothing short of duplicitous on your part since you claim to have been a Christian and believed what the Bible taught. You know this stuff, so quit acting as though it's some new revelation that everyone doesn't already know.
One either believes the Bible or one doesn't.
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@secondson saidWhat's with all the wriggling and deflection then?
That's what the Bible says.
KellyJay said that I was twisting the truth when I made the statement that his belief is that "Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"
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@secondson said"all have sinned and deserve to die the death"
Quit coming off as if you don't know that or that Bible believing Christians don't know that the Bible says that all have sinned and deserve to die the death, and that Jesus paid the debt for our sins and took upon Himself the penalty for sin.
So where does it mention that one deserves to be tortured for eternity?
Sorry, but "die the death", to me, seems to mean to die, to be dead, to pass away. Yes, we deserve to die at God's hand for our sins, but do we really deserve to be tortured for all eternity? We're told to fear he who can kill both our body and soul in hell. Why isn't this the exact punishment for being found wanting at Judgement? Why the eternal torture?
Do you believe the soul is eternal and cannot be killed by God? Why else burn us alive for eternity? Why not just snuff us out and be done with it? Why call it "the second death" if it does NOT kill us?
I, too, believe in what the Bible says. I just don't believe that our punishment is to burn alive for eternity. And I don't see where it says that in the Bible either. That's reserved for Satan, the Beast, the False Prophet, and all who take the Beast's mark. That's all.
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What's with all the wriggling and deflection then?
KellyJay said that I was twisting the truth when I made the statement that his belief is that "Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"