14 Nov 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobie=================================
i thought i saw a putty cat, i did, i did see a putty cat, jaywill you bad ol putty cat, you aught to be ashamed of yourself, engaging in bigotry and prejudice, you know that there is a law in the uk insight to religious hatred and intolerance, do you not have the humility to admit that you too are guilty of speaking badly at times, of course how cou ...[text shortened]... llustrious holy eminence, pontificate maximus his reverence jaywill, once saved always saved!
thought i saw a putty cat, i did, i did see a putty cat, jaywill you bad ol putty cat, you aught to be ashamed of yourself, engaging in bigotry and prejudice, you know that there is
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I think a more accurate comparison to cartoons, since you're so fond of them, is you trying to refute me is like Wiley Cyote trying to catch the road runner.
He fails miserably before he even gets started.
14 Nov 08
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Originally posted by jaywillmeep - meep - the difference of course is that wiley coyote resorts to elaborate plans and misguided schemes, all i need to do is tell the truth! b b b b b b dats all folks! your eminence you! oh sorry almost forgot, your most illustrious holy eminence, pontificate maximus! eminence you!
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thought i saw a putty cat, i did, i did see a putty cat, jaywill you bad ol putty cat, you aught to be ashamed of yourself, engaging in bigotry and prejudice, you know that there is
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I think a more accurate comparison to cartoons, since you're so fond of them, is you trying ...[text shortened]... iley Cyote trying to catch the road runner.
He fails miserably before he even gets started.[/b]
14 Nov 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie======================================
meep - meep - the difference of course is that wiley coyote resorts to elaborate plans and misguided schemes, all i need to do is tell the truth! b b b b b b dats all folks! your eminence you! oh sorry almost forgot, your most illustrious holy eminence, pontificate maximus! eminence you!
meep - meep - the difference of course is that wiley coyote resorts to elaborate plans and misguided schemes,
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I don't know how else to discribe some of your interpretations but in precisly those terms.
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all i need to do is tell the truth!
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That's all you need. Why you don't do so is a mystery to me.
14 Nov 08
Originally posted by jaywilllol, 'mystery', can one expect any thing else from a trinitarian, i think not! oh jaywill, we can disagree but there is no need to be disagreeable, i brought something to your attention and you took it personally, i wont hold it against you, but we must defend our beliefs, even as you yourself have admirably done, but you have taken it as a personal attack on your faith, so we too consider your arguments and if they seem reasonable we accept them, if not, then we say so, but rarely do i consider the debate as personal, but to discriminate against another because of his belief is showing partiality, and God is not partial jaywill and i do not think that we should be either, we must remain open minded, even if we disagree, and you know how i feel with regard to religious bigotry, it has destroyed communities and friendships and peoples lives, it would be a tragedy if the same were to happen here!
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meep - meep - the difference of course is that wiley coyote resorts to elaborate plans and misguided schemes,
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I don't know how else to discribe some of your interpretations but in precisly those terms.
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all i need to do ...[text shortened]... ========================
That's all you need. Why you don't do so is a mystery to me.[/b]
14 Nov 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI haven't taken anything personally. And "mystery" is a biblical term. If I used it it was only because the New Testament used it.
lol, 'mystery', can one expect any thing else from a trinitarian, i think not! oh jaywill, we can disagree but there is no need to be disagreeable, i brought something to your attention and you took it personally, i wont hold it against you, but we must defend our beliefs, even as you yourself have admirably done, but you have taken it as a personal ...[text shortened]... ties and friendships and peoples lives, it would be a tragedy if the same were to happen here!
Do your homework please.
14 Nov 08
Originally posted by jaywillit may be a biblical word, can you pray tell where it is used contextually in scripture with specific regard to the trinity, if not then, enough of the petted lip please, i have tried to be adult with regard to our differences, yes i am a joker, but so what, laughter is nothing but a release for pain and if you do not value some good scriptural advice about minding how we conduct ourselves in mildness and non belligerence, then it is not i whom you are rejecting, but the counsel of god! so be it jaywill!
I haven't taken anything personally. And [b]"mystery" is a biblical term. If I used it it was only because the New Testament used it.
Do your homework please.[/b]
14 Nov 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie==================================
it may be a biblical word, can you pray tell where it is used contextually in scripture with specific regard to the trinity, if not then, enough of the petted lip please, i have tried to be adult with regard to our differences, yes i am a joker, but so what, laughter is nothing but a release for pain and if you do not value some good scriptural advic ...[text shortened]... belligerence, then it is not i whom you are rejecting, but the counsel of god! so be it jaywill!
it may be a biblical word, can you pray tell where it is used contextually in scripture with specific regard to the trinity,
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" ... God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY which is Christ in you the hope of glory." ( Col. 1:27)
"And confessedly, great is the MYSTERY of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh ..." (See 1 Timothy 3:16)
"Holding the MYSTERY of the faith in a pure conscience" (1 Tim. 3:9)
"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel, that is the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which has been kept in silence in the times of the ages
" (Romans 16:25)
"I came to you ... announcing the MYSTERY of God" (1 Cor. 2:1)
"A man should account us in this way, as servants of Christ and stewards of the MYSTERIES of God." ( 1 Cor. 4:1)
"Making known to us the MYSTERY of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Himself ..." (Eph. 1:9)
"That by revelation the MYSTERY was made known to me, as I have written previously in brief. That by reading it you can perceive my understanding in the MYSTERY of Christ." (Eph. 3:3,4)
"And to enlighten all they they may see what the economy of the MYSTERY is, which throughout the ages has been hidden in God, who created all things." (Eph. 3:9)
"And for me, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth to make known in boldness the MYSTERY of the gospel." ( Eph. 6:19)
" ... the MYSTERY of God, Christ" (Col. 2:2)
"Praying at the same time for us also, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the MYSTERY of Christ ..." (Col. 4:3)
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel when he is about to trumpet, then the MYSTERY of God is finished, as He has announced the good news to His own slaves the prophets." (Rev. 10:7)
All these passages concern the God who is incarnated as a man Jesus Christ Who subsequently became the indwelling Christ as the Holy Spirit - God the Triune to be dispensed into man to be man's life and burst forth from within man to be the glory and expression of the Divine Trinity manifested in the believers.
15 Nov 08
Originally posted by jaywilllol, i think we have been through all of that jaywill, yet you persist in your tradition, so be it, as you wish lord vader!
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it may be a biblical word, can you pray tell where it is used contextually in scripture with specific regard to the trinity,
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" ... God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY which is Christ in you the hope of glory." ( Col. 1:27)
" ...[text shortened]... ory and expression of the Divine Trinity manifested in the believers.
15 Nov 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't recall that we have been through these passages.
lol, i think we have been through all of that jaywill, yet you persist in your tradition, so be it, as you wish lord vader!
More time in the Bible and less with comic books and science fiction movies might help you.
15 Nov 08
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Originally posted by jaywillnot the actual passages per se, but the ideas contained within them, imagined or otherwise, especially with reference to that other pagan doctrine the trinity, oops sorry slip of the keyboard there, that other mystery the trinity. why can we not discuss something that we have in common jaywill, like the miracles of Christ, or the resurrection, or messianic prophesies, or the resurrection of the dead or anything, for it seems that we have dissipated an incredible amount of time on the two subjects that neither can accept, hell and the trinity, however, if you still wish to debate then so be it, one verse at a time is preferable so that we do not get caught up in the confusion and the truth may not be hidden under the guise of so many references.
I don't recall that we have been through these passages.
More time in the Bible and less with comic books and science fiction movies might help you.
15 Nov 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt would be nice to talk about something we agree on.
not the actual passages per se, but the ideas contained within them, imagined or otherwise, especially with reference to that other pagan doctrine the trinity, oops sorry slip of the keyboard there, that other mystery the trinity. why can we not discuss something that we have in common jaywill, like the miracles of Christ, or the resurrection, or me ...[text shortened]... aught up in the confusion and the truth may not be hidden under the guise of so many references.
Concerning my last two or three posts -
Its up to you about "continued debate". I have rested my case on both subjects.
Unbacked up assertions like "Oh its just a pagan doctrine" don't impress me at all. I have rested my case on the Trinity as far back as the post on Zechariah to which I saw no real substantial reply from anyone.
There is still much I could still write about annhilation and the biblical usage of the word "destroy" and "destruction". But I am willing to let that rest also for now. You would not be able to refute it, I think.
If you seek peace that is commendable. Hope you find some harmonious discussion then.
15 Nov 08
Originally posted by jaywillok, i think that we shall let Zechariah rest for the moment, truly original idea that it was in its conception, erroneous never the less in my opinion, and i am sure in due course we can return there on your prompting, no question about it, just ask, but what i want to know is you're standing on the miracles of Christ, because even this issue is not universally accepted in unity among Christians, (i use the term Christians to refer to those who profess to adopt the teachings of Christ, whether they apply them is a completely different matter, but that also is another story, so for the sake of argument we shall state that Catholics, protestants, cristidelphians, jehovah witness, Pentecostal, Greek orthodox, Russian orthodox, independent baptists, Lutheran, you name it etc etc etc etc are Christians), so do you unequivocally accept all the miracles as i myself do, the virgin birth, the resurrection from the dead, the healing of blind lame and leprous, the feeding of many, the calming of the storms, control and exorcism of demonic elements etc etc etc? what say you?
It would be nice to talk about something we agree on.
Concerning my last two or three posts -
Its up to you about "continued debate". I have rested my case on both subjects.
Unbacked up assertions like "Oh its just a pagan doctrine" don't impress me at all. I have rested my case on the Trinity as far back as the post on [b]Zechariah to which ...[text shortened]... If you seek peace that is commendable. Hope you find some harmonious discussion then.[/b]
16 Nov 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobie===================================
ok, i think that we shall let Zechariah rest for the moment, truly original idea that it was in its conception, erroneous never the less in my opinion, and i am sure in due course we can return there on your prompting, no question about it, just ask, but what i want to know is you're standing on the miracles of Christ, because even this issue is not ...[text shortened]... the calming of the storms, control and exorcism of demonic elements etc etc etc? what say you?
so do you unequivocally accept all the miracles as i myself do, the virgin birth, the resurrection from the dead, the healing of blind lame and leprous, the feeding of many, the calming of the storms, control and exorcism of demonic elements etc etc etc? what say you?
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Sure, I believe all of those things.
16 Nov 08
Originally posted by Rajk999"you shall know them by thier fruits" ??
Christ knows and the individual knows .. THANK YOU.
OK ?
How can YOU know?
How can YOU know if Miss X is saved?
You cannot. You cannot. You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
You cannot.
Get it ?
Boy ... you people are DUMB.
YOU CANNOT KNOW IF SOMEONE ELSE IS SAVED !!!
16 Nov 08
Once you are born into a family you are always part of that family, it is a genetic lineage.
Once you are born of the spirit of God, you are always his, it is a spiritual lineage.
Irrespective of whether you reject your parents, they are always your parents.
Irrespective of whether you reject God after your "salvation" (separate debate on what this is), and for whatever reason, if he is your Father then you will always be his son/daughter. He will never reject you.
God is soverign