Our "-isms" "-ologies"

@kellyjay said
Faith in anything does not create the reality it accepts except in our minds, but if
something is true or not doesn't change if we believe it or not.

So, you are saying Christ was a reality when I had faith in him and that hasn't been changed by the fact I lost my faith? In other words, you now accept my faith was real for as long as it lasted?

@kellyjay said
I'm more aware of my points than you between the two of us.

Your motivation in this thread has been clear from the start and has seemed to be the “whole point of your argument” is to discredit the testimony of someone who once had faith and has since lost it.

Your motivation for this behaviour seems to be your pride in not wanting to acknowledge that someone whom you don’t like very much has a valid experience of migrating from no faith, to having faith, to losing faith.

It’s quite revealing of you spiritually actually.

@fmf said
So, you are saying Christ was a reality when I had faith in him and that hasn't been changed by the fact I lost my faith? In other words, you now accept my faith was real for as long as it lasted?

The reality of Christ is no matter what you do and say about Him if you believe in
Him and He is real, that is accepting the truth; if you believed in Him and He is not
real, that would be a break from reality because He isn't real. So the truth about
Christ is not found in what we believe; it is in the reality of Christ.

Your stance you are telling me because you once believed in Christ that alone means
you were a Christian, and I'm telling you Christ alone can make you a Christian. I've
mentioned several times that the number of people who are making professions of
faith without Christ actually in their lives will hear the words, "depart from me I
never knew you," and so simply believing is not enough; Christ has to be in you,
without the Spirit of God, your whole profession is a godless one.

@divegeester said
Your motivation in this thread has been clear from the start and has seemed to be the “whole point of your argument” is to discredit the testimony of someone who once had faith and has since lost it.

Your motivation for this behaviour seems to be your pride in not wanting to acknowledge that someone whom you don’t like very much has a valid experience of migrating from no faith, to having faith, to losing faith.

It’s quite revealing of you spiritually actually.

I don't think you even know what does and does not make one a Christian, therefore
you have no clue about the points being made and why.

@kellyjay said
I don't think you even know what does and does not make one a Christian, therefore
you have no clue about the points being made and why.

No, I think I have you well and truly pegged for what you are KellyJay; prideful, stubborn, unlearned, misanthropic and judgmental… in this case of a person who had faith and lost it.

You repeatedly telling me I “have no clue” is demonstrably false and just you lashing out when you run out of things to say.

@divegeester said
No, I think I have you well and truly pegged for what you are KellyJay; prideful, stubborn, unlearned, misanthropic and judgmental… in this case of a person who had faith and lost it.

You repeatedly telling me I “have no clue” is demonstrably false and just you lashing out when you run out of things to say.

You should show me how I'm wrong instead of just saying I am. Can someone who
claims there is no God make a truthful statement they once walked with God, or
can they only say, I once believed I walked with God? There is a difference, one you
seem to miss.

@kellyjay said
The reality of Christ is no matter what you do and say about Him if you believe in
Him and He is real, that is accepting the truth; if you believed in Him and He is not
real, that would be a break from reality because He isn't real. So the truth about
Christ is not found in what we believe; it is in the reality of Christ.

Your stance you are telling me because you once ...[text shortened]... enough; Christ has to be in you,
without the Spirit of God, your whole profession is a godless one.

There's no evidence here that you have comprehended the content of my last 2-3 posts.

@kellyjay said
I'm telling you Christ alone can make you a Christian.

Presumably, if you believe Christ is real, then he "made" me a Christian when I had sincere and strong faith in Him.

@kellyjay said
You should show me how I'm wrong instead of just saying I am. Can someone who
claims there is no God make a truthful statement they once walked with God, or
can they only say, I once believed I walked with God? There is a difference, one you
seem to miss.

I’ve already shown you, several times, how you are pridefully judging a person who claims to have lost their faith.

You claim to believe that a person can lose faith, lose their salvation. But you epically fail to explain why FMF doesn’t fall into this category.

I’ve given you my explanation of your motivations, also several times, which is basically your unpleasant prideful spiritual demeanour which refuses to accept that FMF was once a saved Christian.

You have no authority to judge another, and I’ve warned you about this also.

So shall we again wait for the page to flip and for you again to claim I haven’t pointed this out to you!?

@divegeester said
I’ve already shown you, several times, how you are pridefully judging a person who claims to have lost their faith.

You claim to believe that a person can lose faith, lose their salvation. But you epically fail to explain why FMF doesn’t fall into this category.

I’ve given you my explanation of your motivations, also several times, which is basically your unpleasa ...[text shortened]... ll we again wait for the page to flip and for you again to claim I haven’t pointed this out to you!?

Judging, no, just taking him at his word.

@kellyjay said
Judging, no, just taking him at his word.

No you aren’t; FMF claims to have faith unto salvation, he was utterly convinced of God and his relationship with him.

He isn’t now. He’s lost his faith.

You should be ashamed of yourself judging him the way you are. Your church superiors would call you out if they could see your attitude here.

@fmf said
There's no evidence here that you have comprehended the content of my last 2-3 posts.

It is all definitions nothing more or less! You say you once believed therefore you were a Christian because simply believing is all it takes according to you and apparently dive. If we were simply taking that as all it takes for truth and reality I would have to agree.

I do not because reality gives us the truth of definitions not the other way around, I don’t get to say I am a 21 year old of some minority so I can get a grant. If we were disputing if something was deadly poisonous or not those that drank it would reap reality no matter what they believed!

Christianity requires Christ not something or someone like Christ in their lives, that was all you ever had by your admission!

@kellyjay said
Your stance you are telling me because you once believed in Christ that alone means
you were a Christian, and I'm telling you Christ alone can make you a Christian.

Your belief that "Christ alone can make you a Christian" is what makes you a Christian. It's what made me a Christian in the past.

@kellyjay said
Christianity requires Christ not something or someone like Christ in their lives, that was all you ever had by your admission!

I fully acknowledge that you see yourself as one of the people who have "Christ in their lives". I fully acknowledge your Christian beliefs. I fully acknowledge that you think "Christ is real" and "in" you. I acknowledge that this is your faith.

@kellyjay said
I don’t get to say I am a 21 year old of some minority so I can get a grant.

Have you seen something about a non-white person on Fox News that's got you upset?