Our "-isms" "-ologies"

@kellyjay said
You may have sung with the choir, you might
have greeted at the door, you could have stood at the pulpit, but inside of your
life, Christ never dwelt.

What on Earth are you babbling about now? Sung with the choir? Greeted at the door? Stood at the pulpit? What is this drivel?

@fmf said
What on Earth are you babbling about now? Sung with the choir? Greeted at the door? Stood at the pulpit? What is this drivel?

Simply put, you can be active in your church, and it doesn't matter where.

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I'm not claiming to know anything, READ the text!

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You claim knowledge you don't have all the time dive! Instead of telling me what I
believe, why don't you take scripture and show me where I am wrong! Your dodge is
simply never engaging with the truth, you spout knowledge you claim to have that
you don't as if what you say is the gospel and your case even better than the biblical
text that is the gospel.

@kellyjay said
There was never anything going on in your life back then that had Jesus in
it; accept in His name; all that you did was just in His name.

What nonsense! I have already revealed personal details about my faith. Here you are wittering on about me as if you've never read any of my posts.

I had strong committed life-permeating life-changing faith. Just like you do now. Who knows, maybe mine was more profound and affecting than yours. We'll never know.

It wasn't about choirs, doors, pulpits, church. What is this nonsense swirling around in your thoughts? We are talking about FAITH, KellyJay, not silly trivialities and trappings.

Having lost my faith, I understand what your faith is. [1] You are still stuck with thinking it is supernatural and not merely cognition, and [2] You seem absolutely clueless about loss of faith despite taking up more of my time than I sometimes think you deserve over the last decade or so. It's like talking to someone who can't be bothered to read what I post.

@kellyjay said
Simply put, you can be active in your church, and it doesn't matter where.

This is fatuous twaddle, KellyJay? We are talking about FAITH not about CHURCH.

@fmf said
It's just cognition for you too, KellyJay.

As I have pointed out, our part is a matter of something internal to us; if it wasn't it
wouldn't be us; there, you have just repeated your stance over and over as if that
trumps everything else in the discussion while everything else in the discussion is
the only thing that matters.

Just as I said, when we put faith in our friends to act as they say they will, there is
something in us that believes, correct, but it is our friend who is the focus of our
faith, not 'faith' itself as if that were the magic act in all matters of belief. We can
have faith in our cars, our company's ability to pay us, and on and on where we
put our faith or in whom is either real and trustworthy or not. You changed your
mind; you didn't alter reality.

@kellyjay said
As I have pointed out, our part is a matter of something internal to us; if it wasn't it
wouldn't be us; there, you have just repeated your stance over and over as if that
trumps everything else in the discussion while everything else in the discussion is
the only thing that matters.

Just as I said, when we put faith in our friends to act as they say they will, there i ...[text shortened]... or in whom is either real and trustworthy or not. You changed your
mind; you didn't alter reality.

I fully understand the tenets of your faith and the implications for how you perceive yourself. But nothing supernatural is happening to you. It's just cognition. Strong faith, weak faith, growing faith, fading faith, lack of faith, It's all cognition.

@kellyjay said
We can
have faith in our cars, our company's ability to pay us, and on and on where we
put our faith or in whom is either real and trustworthy or not.

???

@kellyjay said
You changed your
mind; you didn't alter reality.

The reality is that it's all just a function of cognition.

@fmf said
The reality is that it's all just a function of cognition.

So sad.

@fmf said
???

We act, trust, and plan according to our faith or worldviews. We can be deceived by
our perceptions leading us to wrong conclusions; therefore, we may trust false things,
so we have to be willing to change our minds as you did when you thought there was
no God. However, the truth is the only thing that matters, not that we have
perceptions or ideas about them, which you focus on as if only what we think is real
because we think it. Is God real? Our beliefs don't change the true answer to that
question.

@kellyjay said
So sad.

I don't think so. Not at at all.

You mean "sad" that, according to your faith, I am going to get tortured by your God figure?

"Sad" in that way?

@kellyjay said
We act, trust, and plan according to our faith or worldviews. We can be deceived by
our perceptions leading us to wrong conclusions; therefore, we may trust false things.

I think this is you down to a tee.